Massachusetts ....... Romney 9/04/2012 21:24
今天看见有人车上贴的:

“Massachusetts Against Romney".

说实话,Romney出自MA,感情上总还不想反对他。
I can understand...i am a state of MA employee...when Romney was here for state governor, he just use that as a 'bridge' to run for presidential candidate, did not manage the state of MASS well...if he could not run a state well, how can he run a country well??!!
Pink Crystal at 9/05/2012 14:42 快速引用
Romney is a smart politician. When he was running for governor, he hired someone to survey Massachusetts electorate to identify challenges he might face. he received tough news: No pro-life candidate could win statewide office in Massachusetts.

It's hard to imagine how he convinced his church in Salt Lake City to allow him to take a pro-choice stand when running for MA governor.

It must be a relief for him to shift back the position to pro-life now.
花溪 at 9/05/2012 16:12 快速引用
芝加哥还是被治理的不错的。

可惜 O 不是 Illinois 的 govener.



波士顿市长到昨天为止 "has not decided whether to endorse Romney or not."

Just think about it.
xiaoqiang at 9/05/2012 16:20 快速引用
You can not even tell what O's real position is.


花溪 :
Romney is a smart politician. When he was running for governor, he hired someone to survey Massachusetts electorate to identify challenges he might face. he received tough news: No pro-life candidate could win statewide office in Massachusetts.

It's hard to imagine how he convinced his church in Salt Lake City to allow him to take a pro-choice stand when running for MA governor.

It must be a relief for him to shift back the position to pro-life now.
xiaoqiang at 9/05/2012 16:21 快速引用
Pro choice or pro life is minor issues if we cannot keep our jobs.
And if the nation kept piling up debt from 10 trillion to 16 trillion in 4 years.

Obama promised to create jobs and decrease national debt to 5 trillion, 'otherwise I am an one term president'
A final promise he should redeem!

This nation will be hopeless for our childrens if we blindly choose Obama again.




花溪 :
Romney is a smart politician. When he was running for governor, he hired someone to survey Massachusetts electorate to identify challenges he might face. he received tough news: No pro-life candidate could win statewide office in Massachusetts.

It's hard to imagine how he convinced his church in Salt Lake City to allow him to take a pro-choice stand when running for MA governor.

It must be a relief for him to shift back the position to pro-life now.
Bono at 9/05/2012 17:51 快速引用
Pink Crystal :
I can understand...i am a state of MA employee...when Romney was here for state governor, he just use that as a 'bridge' to run for presidential candidate, did not manage the state of MASS well...if he could not run a state well, how can he run a country well??!!


You are really lucky to be employed by the government.
Do u know how many hours I have to put in each week to secure my position in the private sector?

Economy and jobs
Lower tax and lower inflation!
Bono at 9/05/2012 17:58 快速引用
I agree it's better if Obama could make more jobs. But economy recovering just need time. Obama did good job to prevent a disaster in economy in last four years. It started 12 years before his presidency. He did the correct thing to correct it. Has he done enough? Not yet. That's why Obama should be elected again.

Considering Romney, what he really out stand Obama? I cannot find something worth to say. Yes, he is successful businessman. But that's not enough. There is no new idea or better policy from him. Up to now, he has nothing for the era of new energy instead of drilling off-shore oil, which let me recall McCain.


Bono :
Pro choice or pro life is minor issues if we cannot keep our jobs.
And if the nation kept piling up debt from 10 trillion to 16 trillion in 4 years.

Obama promised to create jobs and decrease national debt to 5 trillion, 'otherwise I am an one term president'
A final promise he should redeem!

This nation will be hopeless for our childrens if we blindly choose Obama again.




花溪 :
Romney is a smart politician. When he was running for governor, he hired someone to survey Massachusetts electorate to identify challenges he might face. he received tough news: No pro-life candidate could win statewide office in Massachusetts.

It's hard to imagine how he convinced his church in Salt Lake City to allow him to take a pro-choice stand when running for MA governor.

It must be a relief for him to shift back the position to pro-life now.
rogerlee at 9/05/2012 20:43 快速引用
Roger,
it is sad to see even you are somewhat brain washed by the main stream 'economist' and the magic hand of financial stimulus, quantitative easing...

Are those policies saved the countrie from financial crisis?

Take the extreme case, assuming we all fall back onto the social welfare, relying on food stamp, unemployment benefit, and let the fed launch a non-stopping quantitative easing and let the Obama government print endless food stamps.

Can that consumption on debt model hold very long?

Afterall, government programs, public debt and welfare are net consumption, not any kind of production.

That is all Obama and Bernake did in the past four years, which will brought us to the second round of 'fiscal cliff' very soon.

Please don't mention the green energy industry after the scandle of Solyndra. (600 million of our bloody tax dollars are wasted by the socialist day-dreaming, with out the spirit of bloody work of every private sector employee)
Bono at 9/05/2012 21:37 快速引用
我不会投Romey,虽然他是个smart business person。我的价值观实在是离共和党太远。我仔细听ichelle Obama vs Anne Romey的讲话,还是觉得MIchelle Obama understand more of middle class, can't related to Anne Romey although she did present well duirng her speech.

我对obama较失望的是他不够强硬,过多的迁就于共和党,(health care bill etc) 没有用president 权限去pass bill. Bill Cliton did well when he deal with GOP.
Mayrain at 9/05/2012 21:54 快速引用
取消总统算了。实在看不惯Romney的嘴脸。把Money还拼错了。
Quincy08 at 9/05/2012 22:48 快速引用
Quincy08 :
取消总统算了。实在看不惯Romney的嘴脸。把Money还拼错了。



Haha, 哈佛大学毕业生连拼写都搞不好
取消学位算了
People
Under the rule of Obama, my new born baby carries a 50k$ debt. And that debt will not stop growing at current pace.
As a selfish parent, I would rather reduce my social welfare entitlement to make my son's life easier.
After all, we only need so much to live. If I lived in China 20 years ago with 100$ a month, I have no problem to live in poverty again when I fail.
Bono at 9/06/2012 00:21 快速引用
同意。When Bush tax cuts expire again at the end of this year, Obama might have to extend it for more years except for folks at the very top,and Romey would have to do the same, but for everyone. Romey 还要减少capital gain and dividend tax. So whose interest Romeny really represents? Not common people, right?

瘦死的骆驼比马大阿。



Mayrain :
我不会投Romey,虽然他是个smart business person。我的价值观实在是离共和党太远。我仔细听ichelle Obama vs Anne Romey的讲话,还是觉得MIchelle Obama understand more of middle class, can't related to Anne Romey although she did present well duirng her speech.

我对obama较失望的是他不够强硬,过多的迁就于共和党,(health care bill etc) 没有用president 权限去pass bill. Bill Cliton did well when he deal with GOP.
花溪 at 9/06/2012 09:39 快速引用
Bono, I really wish I could find Romney is better than Obama. I am not brain washed. I am brain clear to compare them.

Without those policies, US could be in double-down or even triple-down in economy, just like in 1931. This is one of the most important reason that Wall Street should be bailed out.

Consumption on debt could not last very long. I agree. But, if you understand how economy works, debt is necessary when needed. If you take a look back to Reagan's Presidency, debt was historically high as well. When economy turn on to a new era, debt would be more higher than any other time. That is what we are now, if we exclude the economy bubble issue from Bush administration.

I don't have detailed information on Solyndra case. But I know Solvndra cannot represent new energy industry. One case of failure doesn't mean it's not correct.




Bono :
Roger,
it is sad to see even you are somewhat brain washed by the main stream 'economist' and the magic hand of financial stimulus, quantitative easing...

Are those policies saved the countrie from financial crisis?

Take the extreme case, assuming we all fall back onto the social welfare, relying on food stamp, unemployment benefit, and let the fed launch a non-stopping quantitative easing and let the Obama government print endless food stamps.

Can that consumption on debt model hold very long?

Afterall, government programs, public debt and welfare are net consumption, not any kind of production.

That is all Obama and Bernake did in the past four years, which will brought us to the second round of 'fiscal cliff' very soon.

Please don't mention the green energy industry after the scandle of Solyndra. (600 million of our bloody tax dollars are wasted by the socialist day-dreaming, with out the spirit of bloody work of every private sector employee)
rogerlee at 9/06/2012 11:40 快速引用
I trust Romney more. As a Republican he accomplished healthcare reform in Dem dominanted Mass and also balanced the state budget. That was quite an achievement comparing to O's over-promise under-delivery status.

However, what is really at stake here is not who will become the next president pe se. My concern is who will stop Big Ben's money printing madness. Romney will at least make Big Ben thinks twice before launching anther round of QE.


For Roger, debt is needed when economy is expanding, such as the era just after WWII and Reagan years. The economy does not expand because of more debt. Mounting debt without economic expansion means inflation, as Germans know very well.
xiaoqiang at 9/06/2012 12:09 快速引用
我不相信一个以前的Investment Banker,现在收入是靠Investment来的政客会为工薪阶层说话。
Quincy08 at 9/06/2012 13:45 快速引用
And you think a professional lawyer and politician is a middle class.

Quincy08 :
我不相信一个以前的Investment Banker,现在收入是靠Investment来的政客会为工薪阶层说话。
xiaoqiang at 9/06/2012 13:55 快速引用
QE DOES have good results. The economy is expanding. The amount of expanding economy stopped double-down or triple-down. Without QE, economy would be in hell. It's lucky US has the capability to borrow money, most of them are not from overseas.

If talking about inflation, how much is it? If borrowed money goes to manufacturing investment, there will be no inflation. Up to now, it's still too early to say any inflation.


xiaoqiang :
I trust Romney more. As a Republican he accomplished healthcare reform in Dem dominanted Mass and also balanced the state budget. That was quite an achievement comparing to O's over-promise under-delivery status.

However, what is really at stake here is not who will become the next president pe se. My concern is who will stop Big Ben's money printing madness. Romney will at least make Big Ben thinks twice before launching anther round of QE.


For Roger, debt is needed when economy is expanding, such as the era just after WWII and Reagan years. The economy does not expand because of more debt. Mounting debt without economic expansion means inflation, as Germans know very well.
rogerlee at 9/06/2012 15:04 快速引用
同意
空谈误国实干兴邦
If u want another 4 years of lip service from Obama, go ahead and vote for him.
He is a politician that could not survive outside this blood sucking government political system; while Romney can start a business from scratch.

One is result oriented while the other one is "promise" oriented.

Full me once, shame on you
Full me twice, shame on....

Quote from Bush junior.

xiaoqiang :
And you think a professional lawyer and politician is a middle class.

Quincy08 :
我不相信一个以前的Investment Banker,现在收入是靠Investment来的政客会为工薪阶层说话。
Bono at 9/06/2012 15:08 快速引用
He is from middle class, and much more close to middle class.


xiaoqiang :
And you think a professional lawyer and politician is a middle class.

Quincy08 :
我不相信一个以前的Investment Banker,现在收入是靠Investment来的政客会为工薪阶层说话。
rogerlee at 9/06/2012 15:08 快速引用
OMG
Somebody is saying there is no inflation,
RB 都要笑翻了
Bono at 9/06/2012 15:15 快速引用
wildcrane at 9/06/2012 15:22 快速引用
Check out this one from the same website, pay attention to 1973-1975 as well as 1978-1980 area.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

wildcrane :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
xiaoqiang at 9/06/2012 15:32 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
Check out this one from the same website, pay attention to 1973-1975 as well as 1978-1980 area.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

wildcrane :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/


which one?

and it will be too far away to compare because many factors have changed ever since.
wildcrane at 9/06/2012 15:34 快速引用
From Jan 1973 to Jan 1974, inflation rate more than doubled.


wildcrane :
xiaoqiang :
Check out this one from the same website, pay attention to 1973-1975 as well as 1978-1980 area.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

wildcrane :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/


which one?

and it will be too far away to compare because many factors have changed ever since.
xiaoqiang at 9/06/2012 15:37 快速引用
You are right that many factors are changed. This time it is going to be much worse.

In 1973, US is forced to end the gold standard. This time the Fed will be abolished.




wildcrane :
xiaoqiang :
Check out this one from the same website, pay attention to 1973-1975 as well as 1978-1980 area.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

wildcrane :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/


which one?

and it will be too far away to compare because many factors have changed ever since.
xiaoqiang at 9/06/2012 15:41 快速引用
Inflation this year is only 1.4%. The highest inflation in last four years was 3% in 2011, which is still lower than Bush's 2007, that's 4.1%.

1970s' inflation is very special since oil crisis.



xiaoqiang :
Check out this one from the same website, pay attention to 1973-1975 as well as 1978-1980 area.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

wildcrane :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
rogerlee at 9/06/2012 15:51 快速引用
Look at this chart based on real commodities.

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/stunning-chart-the-real-rate-of-inflation-and-how-to-protect-yourself_10272010

That why I say you guys are brain washed by the government.

RB说了
俺擦屁股的手纸价钱都翻倍了
还说没通胀
Bono at 9/06/2012 15:53 快速引用
I wonder what would you say if inflation jumps to 7% next year. O will say it is Republican's fault, but what would you say?

rogerlee :
Inflation this year is only 1.4%. The highest inflation in last four years was 3% in 2011, which is still lower than Bush's 2007, that's 4.1%.

1970s' inflation is very special since oil crisis.



xiaoqiang :
Check out this one from the same website, pay attention to 1973-1975 as well as 1978-1980 area.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

wildcrane :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
xiaoqiang at 9/06/2012 15:57 快速引用
Facts show Democrats are job creators(ZT)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76338.html



Metric Republicans Democrats

Years held Presidency 28 years 22years

Total Jobs Created 24 million 42 million

Stock Market Return 109% 992%

stock market return, annulized 2.7% 11%

Income Growth 0.6% 2.2%



Source: Bloomberg, Politico, U.S. Dept of Labor
Mayrain at 9/06/2012 15:59 快速引用
I guess you have a lot of money put into the stock market during the last few years. Congratulation for that but I suggest you move them into something else, just as a safety measure.


Mayrain :
Facts show Democrats are job creators(ZT)

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76338.html



Metric Republicans Democrats

Years held Presidency 28 years 22years

Total Jobs Created 24 million 42 million

Stock Market Return 109% 992%

stock market return, annulized 2.7% 11%

Income Growth 0.6% 2.2%



Source: Bloomberg, Politico, U.S. Dept of Labor
xiaoqiang at 9/06/2012 16:02 快速引用
I agree with you that US is on the shit road - and it is going to get worse and worse with some flatuations, regardless who is in control of the government - the Golden age is gone and the comparitve advantage is lost. 不过呢,仍然是瘦死的骆驼比马大。 全世界也好不到哪去。

xiaoqiang :
You are right that many factors are changed. This time it is going to be much worse.

In 1973, US is forced to end the gold standard. This time the Fed will be abolished.




wildcrane :
xiaoqiang :
Check out this one from the same website, pay attention to 1973-1975 as well as 1978-1980 area.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

wildcrane :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/


which one?

and it will be too far away to compare because many factors have changed ever since.
wildcrane at 9/06/2012 16:13 快速引用
Fed would be abolished? You may scare away Romney!


xiaoqiang :
You are right that many factors are changed. This time it is going to be much worse.

In 1973, US is forced to end the gold standard. This time the Fed will be abolished.

rogerlee at 9/06/2012 16:14 快速引用
到现在我必须承认我对钱和政治不是幼稚是不懂。我过路打酱油的。 smile
wildcrane at 9/06/2012 16:14 快速引用
It's possible for inflation to jump to 7% next year if gas price jump to $7/gallon.

Then I would blame we did not change fast enough for the new energy era.


xiaoqiang :
I wonder what would you say if inflation jumps to 7% next year. O will say it is Republican's fault, but what would you say?

rogerlee :
Inflation this year is only 1.4%. The highest inflation in last four years was 3% in 2011, which is still lower than Bush's 2007, that's 4.1%.

1970s' inflation is very special since oil crisis.



xiaoqiang :
Check out this one from the same website, pay attention to 1973-1975 as well as 1978-1980 area.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

wildcrane :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
rogerlee at 9/06/2012 16:22 快速引用
wildcrane :
到现在我必须承认我对钱和政治不是幼稚是不懂。我过路打酱油的。 smile
叶荷
就冲这句话
i 服了解you
你是真正超脱了
Bono at 9/06/2012 16:29 快速引用
Totally agree and positive thinking always helps. Even in the darkest peroid of human history many people flourished. The key is to find ways to benefit from whatever the chaotic situation might offer.

The conclusion is: go to the gym or library or museum or do whatever the one finds interesting to do. We all need a super healthy body and mental state to deal with what's about to come.

wildcrane :
I agree with you that US is on the shit road - and it is going to get worse and worse with some flatuations, regardless who is in control of the government - the Golden age is gone and the comparitve advantage is lost. 不过呢,仍然是瘦死的骆驼比马大。 全世界也好不到哪去。

xiaoqiang :
You are right that many factors are changed. This time it is going to be much worse.

In 1973, US is forced to end the gold standard. This time the Fed will be abolished.




wildcrane :
xiaoqiang :
Check out this one from the same website, pay attention to 1973-1975 as well as 1978-1980 area.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

wildcrane :
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/


which one?

and it will be too far away to compare because many factors have changed ever since.
xiaoqiang at 9/06/2012 16:43 快速引用
This article was written in 2010. It's prediction of inflation for 2011. The fact is inflation in 2011 is only 3%, though doubled from 2010's 1.5%. As I said, it's still lower than 2007's 4.1%.

BTW, commodities price(especially gold) cannot be used to measure modern economy.


Bono :
Look at this chart based on real commodities.

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/stunning-chart-the-real-rate-of-inflation-and-how-to-protect-yourself_10272010

That why I say you guys are brain washed by the government.

RB说了
俺擦屁股的手纸价钱都翻倍了
还说没通胀
rogerlee at 9/06/2012 16:50 快速引用
wildcrane :
到现在我必须承认我对钱和政治不是幼稚是不懂。我过路打酱油的。 smile


你可是某大经济系毕业的. 你们的老师要被你气死了. wink

说通货膨胀只有3%-4%的同学从来不记帐吧. 把前几年的买菜和餐馆帐单翻出来看看. 同一个店, 比如某地址的wendy's, 11年前的salad是$4.19包税. 现在是$7.55包税. 涨了80%, 平均每年涨5.5%. 街对面的中餐馆涨价幅度一致, 也在平均每年5%以上6%以下.
breezy at 9/06/2012 17:19 快速引用
The point is CPI consumer price index is intentional twisted to hide real inflation, this is true in 2010, still true in 2011 and will be true in 2012.
In my point of view, inflation and 'growth' is a hidden form of tax to transfer wealth from public to political groups. They have to hide the real number to keep the looting game going.
Bono at 9/06/2012 17:30 快速引用
经济问题比较麻烦,inflation 如果和 'growth' 是tax同样作用,那就没什么说的了。


Bono :
The point is CPI consumer price index is intentional twisted to hide real inflation, this is true in 2010, still true in 2011 and will be true in 2012.
In my point of view, inflation and 'growth' is a hidden form of tax to transfer wealth from public to political groups. They have to hide the real number to keep the looting game going.
rogerlee at 9/06/2012 17:51 快速引用
这篇比较经济危机处理的文章,可以看出为什么说Obama做的基本正确:

http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2012/09/06/1962655.html
rogerlee at 9/06/2012 17:54 快速引用
你这样崇拜 OBM,应该说他做的绝对正确才对。O 出了很多本语录,阐明他放之四海而皆准的真理,比这些知识分子臭老九写的文章深刻多了。处理经济危机,社会主义经济学泰斗 Big Ben 是权威。在他带领下,继续走计划经济为主,市场经济为辅的正确道路,不出三年,一定能够赶上中国,超过北韩。

感动

rogerlee :
这篇比较经济危机处理的文章,可以看出为什么说Obama做的基本正确:

http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2012/09/06/1962655.html
xiaoqiang at 9/06/2012 21:41 快速引用
每次到了选前几个月,都有种对着一瓶coke一瓶pepsi无从下手的凄凉
开会 at 9/06/2012 22:56 快速引用
我并不崇拜他,他远不完美。但在Romney乏善可陈的情况下,只能说他会好些。

你大概根本不了解什么是“计划经济”,才说他走计划经济之路。


xiaoqiang :
你这样崇拜 OBM,应该说他做的绝对正确才对。O 出了很多本语录,阐明他放之四海而皆准的真理,比这些知识分子臭老九写的文章深刻多了。处理经济危机,社会主义经济学泰斗 Big Ben 是权威。在他带领下,继续走计划经济为主,市场经济为辅的正确道路,不出三年,一定能够赶上中国,超过北韩。

感动

rogerlee :
这篇比较经济危机处理的文章,可以看出为什么说Obama做的基本正确:

http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2012/09/06/1962655.html
rogerlee at 9/06/2012 23:15 快速引用
开会 :
每次到了选前几个月,都有种对着一瓶coke一瓶pepsi无从下手的凄凉

开总讲的精辟
还是当做狗咬狗来看
选狗第一要务
要选能干的狗
耍奸使滑的狗
比如噢巴马
不能要
Bono at 9/07/2012 08:22 快速引用
Bono :
开会 :
每次到了选前几个月,都有种对着一瓶coke一瓶pepsi无从下手的凄凉

开总讲的精辟
还是当做狗咬狗来看
选狗第一要务
要选能干的狗
耍奸使滑的狗
比如噢巴马
不能要


可惜R-Money 是个擅长拆家典卖,赶出主人的狗。
Quincy08 at 9/07/2012 08:40 快速引用
从你本人的阶级利益出发不会错呀。美国是一个成熟的资本主义社会,这个社会主要是三个阶级,富人,中产阶级,穷人,说白了,是两个阶级,咱把中产和穷人都算劳动人民吧。不管资本主义如何发展,可惜阶级无法消灭。 任何一个社会政策的出台,不会有什么双赢效果,都会是迎合一个阶级的利益,而去伤害另一个。

我一直仰慕的美国总统,是为劳动人民的利益敢于向既得利益挑战的总统,肯尼迪,克林顿,奥巴马...

克林顿这次讲演,反复提到Arithmetic, 而没有用do your math这个简单的词。他语重心长地提醒大家,要智慧,用Arithmetic去记算。 大家不要被共和党的花言巧语给愚弄了,如果这个社会还坚持给富人减税,最后利益受损害的到底是谁。简单的例子,如果你靠工资生存,有孩子,有房子,那么你选共和党,小心共和党最终把你这些税务上的一点利益都慢慢减少,当然很多人到时还不会承认自己的智慧被侮辱了。 共和党一直在利用中产阶级和穷人之间的矛盾达到自己的目的。要知道共和党是代表大资产积极利益,马克思说的占有劳动工具(means of production)的那批少数人,别看人数少,这个10%的人数占有美国80%的财富。 共和党一上台,会无疑的好好答谢这批人,你要是不在这批人里,也别以为自己会沾光。

克林顿, I truly believe, is a man with a good heart. 听他的话,不会错。Don't be fooled by the other side. 大家首先还要承认,We are just ordinary people trying to make a good living.

Watch this clip from John Steward about Class Warfare.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over





开会 :
每次到了选前几个月,都有种对着一瓶coke一瓶pepsi无从下手的凄凉
花溪 at 9/07/2012 10:00 快速引用
Quincy08 :
Bono :
开会 :
每次到了选前几个月,都有种对着一瓶coke一瓶pepsi无从下手的凄凉

开总讲的精辟
还是当做狗咬狗来看
选狗第一要务
要选能干的狗
耍奸使滑的狗
比如噢巴马
不能要


可惜R-Money 是个擅长拆家典卖,赶出主人的狗。


that is what some private equity firms do
Restructure the capital and personal resources
We all know that no job can be considered permanent,
I wish Romney will reduce the redundancy of US government as well
Bono at 9/07/2012 10:05 快速引用
O 一边说富人为富不仁,一边让 Big Ben 以 trillion 记的印钞票,然后直接发给他认为不错的几个 billionnaire。

Vote for O 的人说这种做法可以接受。已经进入这种状态,再讨论下去也就没什么意义了。

花溪 :
从你本人的阶级利益出发不会错呀。美国是一个成熟的资本主义社会,这个社会主要是三个阶级,富人,中产阶级,穷人,说白了,是两个阶级,咱把中产和穷人都算劳动人民吧。不管资本主义如何发展,可惜阶级无法消灭。 任何一个社会政策的出台,不会有什么双赢效果,都会是迎合一个阶级的利益,而去伤害另一个。

我一直仰慕的美国总统,是为劳动人民的利益敢于向既得利益挑战的总统,肯尼迪,克林顿,奥巴马...

克林顿这次讲演,反复提到Arithmetic, 而没有用do your math这个简单的词。他语重心长地提醒大家,要智慧,用Arithmetic去记算。 大家不要被共和党的花言巧语给愚弄了,如果这个社会还坚持给富人减税,最后利益受损害的到底是谁。简单的例子,如果你靠工资生存,有孩子,有房子,那么你选共和党,小心共和党最终把你这些税务上的一点利益都慢慢减少,当然很多人到时还不会承认自己的智慧被侮辱了。 共和党一直在利用中产阶级和穷人之间的矛盾达到自己的目的。要知道共和党是代表大资产积极利益,马克思说的占有劳动工具(means of production)的那批少数人,别看人数少,这个10%的人数占有美国80%的财富。 共和党一上台,会无疑的好好答谢这批人,你要是不在这批人里,也别以为自己会沾光。

克林顿, I truly believe, is a man with a good heart. 听他的话,不会错。Don't be fooled by the other side. 大家首先还要承认,We are just ordinary people trying to make a good living.

Watch this clip from John Steward about Class Warfare.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over





开会 :
每次到了选前几个月,都有种对着一瓶coke一瓶pepsi无从下手的凄凉
xiaoqiang at 9/07/2012 10:11 快速引用
仇富是一种心态
我所认识的富人
大部分比我聪明能干
我羡慕但不红眼

Because they deserve it and we all have the opportunity to work hard, to start a business, to take the risk, and you might be rich after your own hard work.

If you choose to skip all the effort, but be jealous of others wealth.
What kind of person are you really are?

I support social welfare but only to a level that we can afford.

花溪 :
从你本人的阶级利益出发不会错呀。美国是一个成熟的资本主义社会,这个社会主要是三个阶级,富人,中产阶级,穷人,说白了,是两个阶级,咱把中产和穷人都算劳动人民吧。不管资本主义如何发展,可惜阶级无法消灭。 任何一个社会政策的出台,不会有什么双赢效果,都会是迎合一个阶级的利益,而去伤害另一个。

我一直仰慕的美国总统,是为劳动人民的利益敢于向既得利益挑战的总统,肯尼迪,克林顿,奥巴马...

克林顿这次讲演,反复提到Arithmetic, 而没有用do your math这个简单的词。他语重心长地提醒大家,要智慧,用Arithmetic去记算。 大家不要被共和党的花言巧语给愚弄了,如果这个社会还坚持给富人减税,最后利益受损害的到底是谁。简单的例子,如果你靠工资生存,有孩子,有房子,那么你选共和党,小心共和党最终把你这些税务上的一点利益都慢慢减少,当然很多人到时还不会承认自己的智慧被侮辱了。 共和党一直在利用中产阶级和穷人之间的矛盾达到自己的目的。要知道共和党是代表大资产积极利益,马克思说的占有劳动工具(means of production)的那批少数人,别看人数少,这个10%的人数占有美国80%的财富。 共和党一上台,会无疑的好好答谢这批人,你要是不在这批人里,也别以为自己会沾光。

克林顿, I truly believe, is a man with a good heart. 听他的话,不会错。Don't be fooled by the other side. 大家首先还要承认,We are just ordinary people trying to make a good living.

Watch this clip from John Steward about Class Warfare.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over





开会 :
每次到了选前几个月,都有种对着一瓶coke一瓶pepsi无从下手的凄凉
Bono at 9/07/2012 10:13 快速引用
Most of the Repblicans that I know of are socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

I am not talking about the Deep South where people use praying in place of thinking.


It seems Mass is turning into a Deep North. 恭喜
xiaoqiang at 9/07/2012 10:18 快速引用
仇富这个词很突然,没想到你会这样理解。那你认为当年马克思写《资本论》时的目的是因为仇富了? 你的思维很独特, 别理解错了,不是不好,是独特。

羡慕比你聪明能干的人也没错,前面说过,这个国家,10%的人拥有80%的财富,所以提醒你,别把他们的利益当成你的利益而已。你要是属于那10%,就当我没说好了。



Bono :
仇富是一种心态
我所认识的富人
大部分比我聪明能干
我羡慕但不红眼

Because they deserve it and we all have the opportunity to work hard, to start a business, to take the risk, and you might be rich after your own hard work.

If you choose to skip all the effort, but be jealous of others wealth.
What kind of person are you really are?

I support social welfare but only to a level that we can afford.

花溪 :
从你本人的阶级利益出发不会错呀。美国是一个成熟的资本主义社会,这个社会主要是三个阶级,富人,中产阶级,穷人,说白了,是两个阶级,咱把中产和穷人都算劳动人民吧。不管资本主义如何发展,可惜阶级无法消灭。 任何一个社会政策的出台,不会有什么双赢效果,都会是迎合一个阶级的利益,而去伤害另一个。

我一直仰慕的美国总统,是为劳动人民的利益敢于向既得利益挑战的总统,肯尼迪,克林顿,奥巴马...

克林顿这次讲演,反复提到Arithmetic, 而没有用do your math这个简单的词。他语重心长地提醒大家,要智慧,用Arithmetic去记算。 大家不要被共和党的花言巧语给愚弄了,如果这个社会还坚持给富人减税,最后利益受损害的到底是谁。简单的例子,如果你靠工资生存,有孩子,有房子,那么你选共和党,小心共和党最终把你这些税务上的一点利益都慢慢减少,当然很多人到时还不会承认自己的智慧被侮辱了。 共和党一直在利用中产阶级和穷人之间的矛盾达到自己的目的。要知道共和党是代表大资产积极利益,马克思说的占有劳动工具(means of production)的那批少数人,别看人数少,这个10%的人数占有美国80%的财富。 共和党一上台,会无疑的好好答谢这批人,你要是不在这批人里,也别以为自己会沾光。

克林顿, I truly believe, is a man with a good heart. 听他的话,不会错。Don't be fooled by the other side. 大家首先还要承认,We are just ordinary people trying to make a good living.

Watch this clip from John Steward about Class Warfare.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-18-2011/world-of-class-warfare---the-poor-s-free-ride-is-over





开会 :
每次到了选前几个月,都有种对着一瓶coke一瓶pepsi无从下手的凄凉
花溪 at 9/07/2012 10:27 快速引用
Bono :
Quincy08 :
Bono :
开会 :
每次到了选前几个月,都有种对着一瓶coke一瓶pepsi无从下手的凄凉

开总讲的精辟
还是当做狗咬狗来看
选狗第一要务
要选能干的狗
耍奸使滑的狗
比如噢巴马
不能要


可惜R-Money 是个擅长拆家典卖,赶出主人的狗。


that is what some private equity firms do
Restructure the capital and personal resources
We all know that no job can be considered permanent,
I wish Romney will reduce the redundancy of US government as well


讲的好听,其实就是恶意收购,分割卖钱。
Quincy08 at 9/07/2012 10:42 快速引用
基本上认同花溪的看法.
smilhaNew at 9/07/2012 10:47 快速引用
Look at all the class war fares happened in the 20th century.

Where wealth and capital is deemed as unfair and evil, what are the outcomes there?
Cuba, soviet union, china and north Korea .

Class warfare gave us the most destruction in the past century because it is misleading.
Bono at 9/07/2012 10:58 快速引用
Bono :
Look at all the class war fares happened in the 20th century.

Where wealth and capital is deemed as unfair and evil, what are the outcomes there?
Cuba, soviet union, china and north Korea .

Class warfare gave us the most destruction in the past century because it is misleading.


这里哪有人仇富了?
Quincy08 at 9/07/2012 11:00 快速引用
Quincy08 :
Bono :
Look at all the class war fares happened in the 20th century.

Where wealth and capital is deemed as unfair and evil, what are the outcomes there?
Cuba, soviet union, china and north Korea .

Class warfare gave us the most destruction in the past century because it is misleading.


这里哪有人仇富了?


For the people that is promoting Class warfare, including the pretentious Obama. He spent more than 20 days playing golf each year during his presidency, Michelle would be taking vacations in Spain with a 100 plus servant group(using our bloody tax money).

They are so fake to be a middle class.

BTW, I am a struggling working class, with mortgage and two kids to raise.
Bono at 9/07/2012 11:36 快速引用
every time i see chairmen comments on election, i cannot help laughing. when you say being a successful businessman isn't good enough to be president, you probably forgot to ask you 4 years ago: being a successful community organizer is enough to be president?

and let's get the new energy fact straight, btw. after O8 came into power, he invested tons of money in "new energy." one investment is on a company called A123. where is A123? google is your friend.

rogerlee :
I agree it's better if Obama could make more jobs. But economy recovering just need time. Obama did good job to prevent a disaster in economy in last four years. It started 12 years before his presidency. He did the correct thing to correct it. Has he done enough? Not yet. That's why Obama should be elected again.

Considering Romney, what he really out stand Obama? I cannot find something worth to say. Yes, he is successful businessman. But that's not enough. There is no new idea or better policy from him. Up to now, he has nothing for the era of new energy instead of drilling off-shore oil, which let me recall McCain.


Bono :
Pro choice or pro life is minor issues if we cannot keep our jobs.
And if the nation kept piling up debt from 10 trillion to 16 trillion in 4 years.

Obama promised to create jobs and decrease national debt to 5 trillion, 'otherwise I am an one term president'
A final promise he should redeem!

This nation will be hopeless for our childrens if we blindly choose Obama again.




花溪 :
Romney is a smart politician. When he was running for governor, he hired someone to survey Massachusetts electorate to identify challenges he might face. he received tough news: No pro-life candidate could win statewide office in Massachusetts.

It's hard to imagine how he convinced his church in Salt Lake City to allow him to take a pro-choice stand when running for MA governor.

It must be a relief for him to shift back the position to pro-life now.
genie at 9/07/2012 14:55 快速引用
Genie, A123 is here:
http://www.a123systems.com/

Obama has been a successful senator for 4 years when he was nominated in 2008. But to your question, if someone have better policies, good vision for the future and have capability to be the leader, community organizer is enough. Otherwise, even if he is successful businessman, or even a senator, is not good enough.


genie :
every time i see chairmen comments on election, i cannot help laughing. when you say being a successful businessman isn't good enough to be president, you probably forgot to ask you 4 years ago: being a successful community organizer is enough to be president?

and let's get the new energy fact straight, btw. after O8 came into power, he invested tons of money in "new energy." one investment is on a company called A123. where is A123? google is your friend.

rogerlee :
I agree it's better if Obama could make more jobs. But economy recovering just need time. Obama did good job to prevent a disaster in economy in last four years. It started 12 years before his presidency. He did the correct thing to correct it. Has he done enough? Not yet. That's why Obama should be elected again.

Considering Romney, what he really out stand Obama? I cannot find something worth to say. Yes, he is successful businessman. But that's not enough. There is no new idea or better policy from him. Up to now, he has nothing for the era of new energy instead of drilling off-shore oil, which let me recall McCain.


Bono :
Pro choice or pro life is minor issues if we cannot keep our jobs.
And if the nation kept piling up debt from 10 trillion to 16 trillion in 4 years.

Obama promised to create jobs and decrease national debt to 5 trillion, 'otherwise I am an one term president'
A final promise he should redeem!

This nation will be hopeless for our childrens if we blindly choose Obama again.




花溪 :
Romney is a smart politician. When he was running for governor, he hired someone to survey Massachusetts electorate to identify challenges he might face. he received tough news: No pro-life candidate could win statewide office in Massachusetts.

It's hard to imagine how he convinced his church in Salt Lake City to allow him to take a pro-choice stand when running for MA governor.

It must be a relief for him to shift back the position to pro-life now.
rogerlee at 9/07/2012 15:53 快速引用
Bono :
Look at all the class war fares happened in the 20th century.

Where wealth and capital is deemed as unfair and evil, what are the outcomes there?
Cuba, soviet union, china and north Korea .

Class warfare gave us the most destruction in the past century because it is misleading.


I agree not to promote class warfare.

但向富人多收税不是仇富,就象救济穷人不是嫌贫一样。富人在特别时期,象现在这种困难时期,有一定社会责任多交税,巴菲特是这样的代表。
rogerlee at 9/07/2012 16:18 快速引用
老狐狸和 O 是一路人。一边大喊多交税,一边把自己90%以上的 wealth 放进基金里合法避税,一分钱税也没多交。(找找以前的帖子,好像 OBM 的支持者说这是美国富人保持世世代代永远是富人的诀窍。)



rogerlee :


I agree not to promote class warfare.

但向富人多收税不是仇富,就象救济穷人不是嫌贫一样。富人在特别时期,象现在这种困难时期,有一定社会责任多交税,巴菲特是这样的代表。
xiaoqiang at 9/07/2012 16:33 快速引用
那个是避免遗产税,不是一回事。


xiaoqiang :
老狐狸和 O 是一路人。一边大喊多交税,一边把自己90%以上的 wealth 放进基金里合法避税,一分钱税也没多交。(找找以前的帖子,好像 OBM 的支持者说这是美国富人保持世世代代永远是富人的诀窍。)



rogerlee :


I agree not to promote class warfare.

但向富人多收税不是仇富,就象救济穷人不是嫌贫一样。富人在特别时期,象现在这种困难时期,有一定社会责任多交税,巴菲特是这样的代表。
rogerlee at 9/07/2012 16:49 快速引用
是哪一回事?

rogerlee :
那个是避免遗产税,不是一回事。


xiaoqiang :
老狐狸和 O 是一路人。一边大喊多交税,一边把自己90%以上的 wealth 放进基金里合法避税,一分钱税也没多交。(找找以前的帖子,好像 OBM 的支持者说这是美国富人保持世世代代永远是富人的诀窍。)



rogerlee :


I agree not to promote class warfare.

但向富人多收税不是仇富,就象救济穷人不是嫌贫一样。富人在特别时期,象现在这种困难时期,有一定社会责任多交税,巴菲特是这样的代表。
xiaoqiang at 9/07/2012 16:51 快速引用
Ok, 主席 have a nice weekend.

Discussing politics is like eating poison. Energy is better spent at tennis court or hiking trail.
xiaoqiang at 9/07/2012 16:53 快速引用
haha, web site is still running but what about taxpayer's investment?

your comments on being community organizer and being businessman is also funny. have a nice weekend.

rogerlee :
Genie, A123 is here:
http://www.a123systems.com/

Obama has been a successful senator for 4 years when he was nominated in 2008. But to your question, if someone have better policies, good vision for the future and have capability to be the leader, community organizer is enough. Otherwise, even if he is successful businessman, or even a senator, is not good enough.
genie at 9/07/2012 17:11 快速引用
A123 almost went belly up, and now a subsidiary of a Chinese company.

Thank you president Obama for your green energy initiatives
Bono at 9/07/2012 18:22 快速引用
说到遗产税了,Romney 上台后这是一个他要废除的税种,大家知道什么人付遗产税吧?还有AMT, Alternative Minimum Tax 也要废除。这下许多有钱人又有机会一分税都不用交了。



xiaoqiang :
是哪一回事?

rogerlee :
那个是避免遗产税,不是一回事。


xiaoqiang :
老狐狸和 O 是一路人。一边大喊多交税,一边把自己90%以上的 wealth 放进基金里合法避税,一分钱税也没多交。(找找以前的帖子,好像 OBM 的支持者说这是美国富人保持世世代代永远是富人的诀窍。)



rogerlee :


I agree not to promote class warfare.

但向富人多收税不是仇富,就象救济穷人不是嫌贫一样。富人在特别时期,象现在这种困难时期,有一定社会责任多交税,巴菲特是这样的代表。
花溪 at 9/07/2012 21:18 快速引用
Here is the latest new about A123:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57490308/chinese-takeover-of-a123-reflects-sluggish-electric-car-market/

It had some problems. But it will enter China's EV car market. You are worry about the investment?

I have a feeling that EV car will be faster adopted in China because city commuters in China travel shorter distance and in slower speed. It's perfect for EV car. Look at the battery powered bike.


genie :
haha, web site is still running but what about taxpayer's investment?

your comments on being community organizer and being businessman is also funny. have a nice weekend.

rogerlee :
Genie, A123 is here:
http://www.a123systems.com/

Obama has been a successful senator for 4 years when he was nominated in 2008. But to your question, if someone have better policies, good vision for the future and have capability to be the leader, community organizer is enough. Otherwise, even if he is successful businessman, or even a senator, is not good enough.
rogerlee at 9/07/2012 23:28 快速引用
花溪 :
说到遗产税了,Romney 上台后这是一个他要废除的税种,大家知道什么人付遗产税吧?还有AMT, Alternative Minimum Tax 也要废除。这下许多有钱人又有机会一分税都不用交了。



xiaoqiang :
是哪一回事?

rogerlee :
那个是避免遗产税,不是一回事。



I vote for lower tax and small government.
Look at the tax money sponsored projects across the country, they are extremely low efficiency.
Big dig took 15 billion dollars for a 7 mile tunnel,
Winter street exit expansion in Waltham (next to Costco) took 10 years to finish
First families tax funded vacation around the world
Why should I gave them my bloody money to waste?

Higher tax, higher waste. I am not too bothered by the super rich. They are just a janitor of their wealth. Their money will eventually return to the society one way or
the other.



xiaoqiang :
老狐狸和 O 是一路人。一边大喊多交税,一边把自己90%以上的 wealth 放进基金里合法避税,一分钱税也没多交。(找找以前的帖子,好像 OBM 的支持者说这是美国富人保持世世代代永远是富人的诀窍。)



rogerlee :


I agree not to promote class warfare.

但向富人多收税不是仇富,就象救济穷人不是嫌贫一样。富人在特别时期,象现在这种困难时期,有一定社会责任多交税,巴菲特是这样的代表。
Bono at 9/07/2012 23:30 快速引用
Nothing wrong with it. I am happy if the products from A123 will export to China.


Bono :
A123 almost went belly up, and now a subsidiary of a Chinese company.

Thank you president Obama for your green energy initiatives
rogerlee at 9/07/2012 23:30 快速引用
A123 has been taken over by jilee of China. US investors got penny on a dollar. Obama's generous tax money support only get him a few point to brag about. But maybe this is what all he wants.
Bono at 9/07/2012 23:34 快速引用
It's not jilee. It's 万向集团. 万向 want to invest $450m in A123. Currently A123's stock price is about $0.19/share. 万向want to pay $0.55/share.

How could government‘s investment get penny on a dollar? Up to now, government invested about $125m. If 万向’s investment open China's market, A123 will have quicker expansion in business. Government could have higher returns.

这个deal是双赢。当然,Republic出于反对Obama而杯葛它,就只能遗憾了。Romney如果真正从经济经济角度出发的话,应该不会反对。


Bono :
A123 has been taken over by jilee of China. US investors got penny on a dollar. Obama's generous tax money support only get him a few point to brag about. But maybe this is what all he wants.
rogerlee at 9/08/2012 11:44 快速引用
You are right, it's not Jilee.
Do you know how many shares outstanding for A123? How much debt it currently has?

You need to look into this companies capital structure.
I admit that I do not have time to look into this. But I guarantee you this is a loss to most initial investors including US government. They will almost get nothing.
Bono at 9/08/2012 23:13 快速引用
Bono, don't worry about debt. With the investment from Wanxiang and business expanding to China, A123 won't get worse. Government's investment have better chance to get back.

The key point is to start EV car market with correct policy from government. When government invest research on Internet, it's impossible to finish it if you considered debt and returns of investment.

I am not very satisfied with Obama's policies, but it's better than Romney's.


Bono :
You are right, it's not Jilee.
Do you know how many shares outstanding for A123? How much debt it currently has?

You need to look into this companies capital structure.
I admit that I do not have time to look into this. But I guarantee you this is a loss to most initial investors including US government. They will almost get nothing.
rogerlee at 9/08/2012 23:52 快速引用
Roger, you are really a layman for investment.

All current share holders get a few cents for their investment right now. They are essentially wiped out. Including most institutional investors and US government.

The technology, product line and owner ship are now belong to Chinese Capitalist.
Do not day dream about profit sharing anymore.

Without captial, most of us will have to start working with out bare hand after graduation. Capital and capitalism is essential to a modern society.

That is why China, in 1978, openned their door to foreign investers (Captalists, they came to invest with the purpose of making money. There is nothing to be ashamed for that !)

Shame for whoever promoting class warfare, and shame for the president, being a professional politician, frequently playing golf using tax payer money on regular work days, to pretend to be closer to the 'middle class'.
Bono at 9/09/2012 21:26 快速引用
Bono, I understand and respect capitalism as you do.

Investment has different stages for an enterprise. A123's current market cap is only $33m. Without more money, they could not continue. A123 is still in early stage of production of EV car batteries. Next stage of production will need more money. Now, with $450 investment from Wanxiang, how many shares it should be? The arithmetic is 450/(450+33)=93%. But Wanxiang ask only about 85% of shares.

Yes, you are correct for the share changes. Before Wanxiang's money, it's 100% shares of $33m. Now it's 15% share of $483m(450+33), which equivalent of value $72m (483X15%=72). It's more than doubled from this deal. In addition, income will increase when selling products to China. In capitalism, it's not how much you control, it's how much money you have and earn, right?

Now, you might be wondering where the government's money of $125? It becomes parts of value of $33m. I am sure you will blame that the government's money was wasted and won't be got back any more. The key is not getting back the money, the key is to promote battery production which is the major parts for EV car. With starting of production of EV car, government will get tax from people and enterprise who produce them. This is the same that government support of education and research but never get that money back from those projects. This is why government is not a private company. And it should never be organized and operated like a private company. (Do you remember that government was considered as a company?)

In A123's case, government could still get some or even all money back in the future, once A123 go profit.

As a "layman of investment", I might have said too much.



Bono :
Roger, you are really a layman for investment.

All current share holders get a few cents for their investment right now. They are essentially wiped out. Including most institutional investors and US government.

The technology, product line and owner ship are now belong to Chinese Capitalist.
Do not day dream about profit sharing anymore.

Without captial, most of us will have to start working with out bare hand after graduation. Capital and capitalism is essential to a modern society.

That is why China, in 1978, openned their door to foreign investers (Captalists, they came to invest with the purpose of making money. There is nothing to be ashamed for that !)

Shame for whoever promoting class warfare, and shame for the president, being a professional politician, frequently playing golf using tax payer money on regular work days, to pretend to be closer to the 'middle class'.
rogerlee at 9/09/2012 22:58 快速引用
Bono :
Roger, you are really a layman for investment.

All current share holders get a few cents for their investment right now. They are essentially wiped out. Including most institutional investors and US government.

The technology, product line and owner ship are now belong to Chinese Capitalist.
Do not day dream about profit sharing anymore.

Without captial, most of us will have to start working with out bare hand after graduation. Capital and capitalism is essential to a modern society.

That is why China, in 1978, openned their door to foreign investers (Captalists, they came to invest with the purpose of making money. There is nothing to be ashamed for that !)

Shame for whoever promoting class warfare, and shame for the president, being a professional politician, frequently playing golf using tax payer money on regular work days, to pretend to be closer to the 'middle class'.


这是个亏损企业,上个季度有83million亏损。只有5个月的Cash。你说怎么办?政府接管?你又有话说了。
Quincy08 at 9/09/2012 23:00 快速引用
Simply look at investors reaction after the annouvement of 85% takeover by Wan Xiang
, you would know you are painting a rosy picture again.

A123 lost about two third share value after the take over is announced.

Of course, there is a small possibility that roger is way smarter than the market.

Do you happen to know how many round of financing a123 went through? Could be easily around 500-600 millions.

They burt through that cash pile, resulting in a market value of 30-40 million dollars here.

Something is seriously wrong here! And Obama chose to throw in 125 millions here.
And do not forget the 600 million he thrown at solyndra.

I guarantee you there are more failed investments not being reported yet.
Bono at 9/10/2012 14:48 快速引用
I don't know how many round they went through. No mater how many, they don't have many choices now.

I am sure you could find more from Republic. I am also sure that there are positive investment not being reported as well.


Bono :
Simply look at investors reaction after the annouvement of 85% takeover by Wan Xiang
, you would know you are painting a rosy picture again.

A123 lost about two third share value after the take over is announced.

Of course, there is a small possibility that roger is way smarter than the market.

Do you happen to know how many round of financing a123 went through? Could be easily around 500-600 millions.

They burt through that cash pile, resulting in a market value of 30-40 million dollars here.

Something is seriously wrong here! And Obama chose to throw in 125 millions here.
And do not forget the 600 million he thrown at solyndra.

I guarantee you there are more failed investments not being reported yet.
rogerlee at 9/10/2012 16:28 快速引用
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