• blueZ
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发表于: 6/18/2008 12:50 发表主题:
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Luanne 写到:
Based on the rescure team, the survivor made very wise decisions after the accident happened....

Maybe we all should polish our security senses before going into wild again.


纸上谈兵没有用,要靠实践。

其实实践也没有用,关键时刻要靠运气。
  • rogerlee
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大致看了一下,trail上有瀑布,没专业设备过不了,事前好象没了解?

如果登山到了这种地方和级别,还是首先考虑购置专业绳索设备吧,不要利用什么树了。不可靠的设备可能会造成更多伤亡。

关于救援,的确需要考虑。出了事要先了解受伤情况,根据受伤情况决定如何救。如果需要过夜,必须留有过夜的东西。如果需要下山求救,下山前先确定位置(gps应该是必备的),联系方式(火,烟,手电,walkie-talkie等),受伤者自己不能动的,应该留下一人等救援队来时帮助确定地点。(所以登山最好有三人以上)。
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相同的悲剧总是重复地上演
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数量是一个因素,质量也很重要。

rogerlee 写到:
(所以登山最好有三人以上)。

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同意,这只是基本要求。

普通人在遇到紧急情况是,是可能超常发挥的。

xiaoqiang 写到:
数量是一个因素,质量也很重要。

rogerlee 写到:
(所以登山最好有三人以上)。

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普通人遇到紧急情况,according to statistics,更有可能失常。

rogerlee 写到:
同意,这只是基本要求。

普通人在遇到紧急情况是,是可能超常发挥的。

xiaoqiang 写到:
数量是一个因素,质量也很重要。

rogerlee 写到:
(所以登山最好有三人以上)。

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看怎么统计,超常发挥也是“失常”。一般紧急情况人的忍耐力会增高。


xiaoqiang 写到:
普通人遇到紧急情况,according to statistics,更有可能失常。

rogerlee 写到:
同意,这只是基本要求。

普通人在遇到紧急情况是,是可能超常发挥的。

xiaoqiang 写到:
数量是一个因素,质量也很重要。

rogerlee 写到:
(所以登山最好有三人以上)。

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Luanne 写到:
Based on the rescure team, the survivor made very wise decisions after the accident happened....

Maybe we all should polish our security senses before going into wild again.


是说活着的那个L,还是去世了的?L就地过一夜,显然是很正确的

对,大家多思考,是很有好处的,有备无患嘛。不过,我想这应该不会影响我们的spirit。


As an inexperienced hiker, I probably would toss between trying to rescure him and staying put frustrated
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突然想起前阵子,波士顿这边也有个爬山的遇难了。。。
http://www.shenghuonet.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=37409
  • Nike
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所谓失常与超常,大概是四体亢奋,大脑萎靡。

当然也有急中生智兼浑身疲软的。

PPT曾经很平淡的对我说:生死有命,没什么的。



rogerlee 写到:
看怎么统计,超常发挥也是“失常”。一般紧急情况人的忍耐力会增高。

xiaoqiang 写到:
普通人遇到紧急情况,according to statistics,更有可能失常。

rogerlee 写到:
同意,这只是基本要求。

普通人在遇到紧急情况是,是可能超常发挥的。

xiaoqiang 写到:
数量是一个因素,质量也很重要。

rogerlee 写到:
(所以登山最好有三人以上)。

  • blueZ
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Nike 写到:
所谓失常与超常,大概是四体亢奋,大脑萎靡。

当然也有急中生智兼浑身疲软的。

PPT曾经很平淡的对我说:生死有命,没什么的。



rogerlee 写到:
看怎么统计,超常发挥也是“失常”。一般紧急情况人的忍耐力会增高。

xiaoqiang 写到:
普通人遇到紧急情况,according to statistics,更有可能失常。

rogerlee 写到:
同意,这只是基本要求。

普通人在遇到紧急情况是,是可能超常发挥的。

xiaoqiang 写到:
数量是一个因素,质量也很重要。

rogerlee 写到:
(所以登山最好有三人以上)。


紧急情况,运气好,脱险了,回来就可以在BBS上吹,说自己多牛多牛。

运气不好,就给别人在BBS上提供话题,说这不应该,那不应该。

其实就是运气,生死有命。愿赌服输,也适用于outdoors。

再次建议大家读读 not without peril 那本书,i was scared after read the book ...
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紧急情况,运气好,脱险了,回来就可以在BBS上吹,说自己多牛多牛。

运气不好,就给别人在BBS上提供话题,说这不应该,那不应该。

其实就是运气,生死有命。愿赌服输,也适用于outdoors。

再次建议大家读读 not without peril 那本书,i was scared after read the book ...


Even if he had been rescued, there would have been so many lessons to learn.

1. Overconfidence about their own capabilities. This a path for 17-18 miles with 7000 feet elevation gain. Much of the path is off trail. It makes much more sense to do it as an overnight backpacking trip.

2. When they saw it was dark, the best choice for them was to sit in the dark for a night before hiking again. You must know the other person spent more than half a day to hike back to the trailhead. It was already 8:30 pm and it was virtually impossible for them to be back to the trailhead on the same day. Yet they still chose to keep on going.

3. As I know, the victim always ran during hiking. The mountain is not a playground. It is always dangerous to hike too fast in mountains. It is more dangerous if they hike off-trail.

When they made so many mistakes, a tragedy would surely happen and the only question was when.
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紧急情况,运气好,脱险了,回来就可以在BBS上吹,说自己多牛多牛。

运气不好,就给别人在BBS上提供话题,说这不应该,那不应该。

其实就是运气,生死有命。愿赌服输,也适用于outdoors。

再次建议大家读读 not without peril 那本书,i was scared after read the book ...


Even if he had been rescued, there would have been so many lessons to learn.

1. Overconfidence about their own capabilities. This a path for 17-18 miles with 7000 feet elevation gain. Much of the path is off trail. It makes much more sense to do it as an overnight backpacking trip.

2. When they saw it was dark, the best choice for them was to sit in the dark for a night before hiking again. You must know the other person spent more than half a day to hike back to the trailhead. It was already 8:30 pm and it was virtually impossible for them to be back to the trailhead on the same day. Yet they still chose to keep on going.

3. As I know, the victim always ran during hiking. The mountain is not a playground. It is always dangerous to hike too fast in mountains. It is more dangerous if they hike off-trail.

When they made so many mistakes, a tragedy would surely happen and the only question was when.


算了,不要criticize了,那个哥们是个好人。兔死狐悲,我很伤心。

LA看来爬山很疯狂。幸好我们这儿的自虐活动已经没有什么气候了,要不然迟早也得出事。
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我觉得去年秋季的那次缅因行就属于河边走运气好鞋没湿。我现在想想就后怕。

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blueZ 写到:


紧急情况,运气好,脱险了,回来就可以在BBS上吹,说自己多牛多牛。

运气不好,就给别人在BBS上提供话题,说这不应该,那不应该。

其实就是运气,生死有命。愿赌服输,也适用于outdoors。

再次建议大家读读 not without peril 那本书,i was scared after read the book ...


Even if he had been rescued, there would have been so many lessons to learn.

1. Overconfidence about their own capabilities. This a path for 17-18 miles with 7000 feet elevation gain. Much of the path is off trail. It makes much more sense to do it as an overnight backpacking trip.

2. When they saw it was dark, the best choice for them was to sit in the dark for a night before hiking again. You must know the other person spent more than half a day to hike back to the trailhead. It was already 8:30 pm and it was virtually impossible for them to be back to the trailhead on the same day. Yet they still chose to keep on going.

3. As I know, the victim always ran during hiking. The mountain is not a playground. It is always dangerous to hike too fast in mountains. It is more dangerous if they hike off-trail.

When they made so many mistakes, a tragedy would surely happen and the only question was when.


算了,不要criticize了,那个哥们是个好人。兔死狐悲,我很伤心。

LA看来爬山很疯狂。幸好我们这儿的自虐活动已经没有什么气候了,要不然迟早也得出事。

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发表于: 6/18/2008 23:03 发表主题: Re: 爬山的要小心, LA有老手遇难了
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