感受针灸 4/30/2008 17:27
这周还生平第一次做了MRI, 去之前没做家庭作业, 所以被机器送进一个小圆洞的时候, 还真是吓的心慌. 还好, 头还没进去就停了. 真正害怕幽避的人恐怕真受不了, 难怪填表里有这样一个问题. 整个过程20分钟, 因为紧张出来之后有点晕晕呼呼.

虽然身为中国人, 这一周生平第一次做针灸和放血 - blood letting.

听见blood letting心里也发毛, 一开始很害怕, 但其实没有那么害怕, 不怎么疼. 只是看中医没有保险太贵了. 一次花了100多. 而且建议每周至少一次.

在治疗的床上, 我就在跟这个医生讲, 我们华人要想办法推动美国医疗保险最终应该包括至少中医的针灸.

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海德堡的山顶有一个古老的城堡, 里面有一个西方医药历史的陈列. 从中发现其实在现代医学以前, 他们医药学和我们的医药学有许多类似之处. 在那里看到了blood letting. 后来摇身一变进入现代的解剖学, 等等. 本想看个究竟, 是怎么样飞越变化了. 但接我的俩个德国朋友, 一个人有严重过敏, 忘了带药. 只好匆匆忙忙赶路了.

效果如何, 还需要等等看. 但听介绍的朋友说, 这个医生治疗好许多人的腰痛之类.

希望钱不白花.
放血疗法只在狄更斯的小说里记得见过,医学也兴起复古潮流了吗?
vieplivee at 4/30/2008 17:48 快速引用
vieplivee :
放血疗法只在狄更斯的小说里记得见过,医学也兴起复古潮流了吗?


是啊是啊, 我也只是在海得堡那个古老幽森的城堡里第一次看到这个词.

没想到我们中医里也有. 更没听说谁这样用过, 所以先吓了个半死.

医生解释, 就根扎耳朵, 扎手指取血一样, 很快的一下. 果然是, 不象名字听起来那么害怕.
wildcrane at 4/30/2008 18:20 快速引用
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运
pbxmeis at 4/30/2008 18:25 快速引用
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运

把病人吓晕了就忘了自个的病了?

结论是我不该看那么多恐怖片了……突然变成聊电影了又…… 当然不用看恐怖片对刘胡兰来说就没大指望能出成效。
vieplivee at 4/30/2008 18:33 快速引用
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运



她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.
wildcrane at 4/30/2008 19:26 快速引用
做一点研究, 列这里, 也许对其他人有帮助.
好象是bloodletting一直是针灸的一个部分.

Bloodletting acupuncture of the engorged vein around Bl-40 for acute lumbar sprain - Wei-Chung
American Journal of Chinese Medicine, Summer-Fall, 2001 by Chung-Jen Chen, Wen-Chan Tsai, Jeng-Hsien Yen, Jih-Jin Tsai, Tsan-Teng Ou, Chun-Ching Lin, Hong-Wen Liu
E-mail Print Link Abstract: Bloodletting acupuncture is one of the most classic methods of acupuncture therapy, and is still popularly used to treat acute lumbar sprain in the oriental world. However, most physicians in the western world are not familiar with bloodletting acupuncture, though they may know ordinary acupuncture well. Furthermore based on the literature reviewed, there have been few studies which have investigated the effect of bloodletting acupuncture upon acute lumbar sprain. In this study, we tried to determine if bloodletting acupuncture is effective for acute lumbar sprain. In total, twelve patients were enrolled for analysis. Five patients were treated with ordinary acupuncture upon the contralateral SI-3 (Hou-Hsi) point alone. Seven patients were first treated with bloodletting acupuncture to the engorged vein around the ipisilateral Bl-40 (Wei-Chung), and then followed by ordinary acupuncture upon the contralateral SI-3. It was demonstrated that bloodletting acupuncture to the engorged vein around the ipisilateral Bl-40 followed by ordinary acupuncture upon the contralateral SI-3 had more pain relief than ordinary acupuncture upon the contralateral SI-3 alone (83 [+ or -] 23% vs. 44 [+ or -] 28%) (P < 0.01). And bloodletting acupuncture to the engorged vein around the ipisilateral Bl-40 decreased pain by 56 [+ or -] 23%, similar to that of ordinary acupuncture upon the contralateral SI-3 alone (44 [+ or -] 28%). These findings suggest that bloodletting acupuncture to the engorged vein around the ipisilateral Bl-40 (Wei-Chung) has a substantial contribution for treatment of acute lumbar sprain.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HKP/is_2001_Summer-Fall/ai_81596688

http://coconutgirlwireless.wordpress.com/2007/03/26/ice-heat-or-bloodletting-the-best-cure-for-an-ouchie/
wildcrane at 4/30/2008 21:02 快速引用
钱钱不会白花的。 祝你好运
元宝 at 4/30/2008 21:08 快速引用
有个印象不知对否,
好象作为Pain Management, 针灸比较被西方医学接受. 作为辅助作用, 也可能是闯入医疗保险的一个突破点.

The Benefits of Blood Letting in Pain Management
By Roslyn Motter

So, hospitals have now using leeches in medical practice? There is nothing new in this.

Bleeding using leeches was normal practice in western medicine in the 1830s until it was discarded for more sophisticated techniques. In fact, the medicinal use of leeches dates back to the beginnings of civilization with mention made of it in Egyptian tombs and in ancient Chinese writings. The principle behind the use of leeches is to drain off stagnant blood.

Recently I have become particularly impressed with the great health results that can be achieved by blood letting (taking out stagnant blood). Blood letting is a fairly standard practice in acupuncture and possibly other alternative therapies.

Unfortunately, blood now has a bad vibe attached to it. Most people want to avoid contact with unknown blood.

However, if people could rise above these objections they would find that the benefits from shedding a little blood (and by a little, I mean just that) are profound. Just a couple of drops of blood taken from an acupuncture point can have a significant effect on blood pressure for example, in a matter of two hours.

Providing that a patient can afford to lose a little blood there are great benefits of bleeding (with some exceptions).

Firstly, the skin in the affected area is broken with a diabetic lance and then the blood is squeezed out. If a greater amount of blood needs to be extracted, a specially designed glass or plastic cup is applied over the site. The skin sucks into the cup and the pressure causes a large volume of blood to be extracted. Sometimes such a large amount comes out that the cup quickly fills with blood, making this quite a messy procedure. Where the underlying blood has not been circulating for quite some time, the blood that comes out will be dark in color, and fizzing or bubbling due to the heat in the area.

Cupping kits are sold at acupuncture suppliers. I have noticed glass cups for sale in Chinese supermarkets, although these require the use of a flame to cause them to attach to skin. The cupping kits used by acupuncturists usually work with a pumping device which is preferable because it is much easier to control the amount of flesh (and hence blood) that is sucked into the cup. The cup can sometimes be quite painful if it is applied to certain tender areas.

Situations that scream out for bleeding are red swollen lumpy areas such as gout on feet. I once treated a man who had been unable to walk for a week due to an enormous red lump diagnosed as gout, below his big toe. After the lump was pricked and a fair bit of blood squeezed out, the swelling quickly subsided and the man was astonished that the pain had dissipated and he was now able to walk without any discomfort. No other treatment would have worked so rapidly. He apparently has had no recurrence of the condition since that day.

Another person who had been hit by a baseball bat showed me his shin which was now a mottled black color. After pricking the entire area, a huge amount of blood was drained out over the course of an hour. The blood which oozed out was black in color and thick. However, at the end of the treatment his shin looked a whole lot better in color and appearance and his leg was much less painful. If the stagnant blood had remained in his shin it would have not only have been painful, it would have restricted fresh blood and qi circulation in the leg.

A few years ago I suffered from a heel spur, and at times I was in such agony I could only crawl around the house. The relief I experienced from pricking and cupping my heel and foot was absolutely fantastic. The internal heat in my foot was so great that the blood which poured from the pricked area sprayed into the cup with volcanic fury.

The beauty of blood letting is that it draws out the old, stagnant, overheated and often black blood, and allows the body to replace it with new, clean blood. Just a few drops of blood squeezed out makes a profound difference to the blood flow in the entire body.

Naturally, this is a medical practice and as with all things medical, should be used with caution. In particular, there are several contraindications for the use of cups. They should used not be used in the abdomen or lower back of pregnant women; on people with cardiac problems, diseases of the blood vessels, anemic or weak patients; on the throat region or when organs are inflamed or perforated. There are other contraindications which should be studied.

Bleeding should never be practiced on someone taking any blood thinning medication e.g. Warfarin, as the patient will not stop bleeding. Diabetic patients and patients with cardiac disorders should not be blood let. Anemic or weak patients should not be blood let as they can not afford to lose blood.

The purpose of this article was to draw attention to the use of blood letting as an alternative treatment to prescription medication. However it is recommended to seek the advice of a trained therapist before using it.

Roslyn J. Motter is a Sydney, Australia registered acupuncturist with her own clinic. She is also a children’s author and has recently published three children’s books - The Doofuzz Dudes Rescue Moondar; The Doofuzz Dudes and the Princess Detector; and the Doofuzz Dudes and the Babbling Bottles. The series are fantasy adventure stories and are most suitable for children aged 7 - 12 years. Woven into the adventures is a subtle theme of caring for the environment. Excerpts and illustrations from the books are available for viewing on http://www.childrens-books.com.au and children can play games and win prizes on http://www.doofuzzdudesclub.com Her acupuncture website is http://www.acupunctureworks.com.au

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Roslyn_Motter
wildcrane at 4/30/2008 21:38 快速引用
你做了全面的检查吗?到底是什么病啊就放学?
Johann at 4/30/2008 21:42 快速引用
我也放过。 不过不是成心的。 oops
leefd at 4/30/2008 21:47 快速引用
Johann :
你做了全面的检查吗?到底是什么病啊就放学?


西医约不着,等很久. 看膝盖的不看脚弯儿, 看脚的不看膝盖.

膝盖约的时候, 一俩个月以后, 正好看得那天好好的. 开了MRI, 去做了.

问能不能给我的脚腕也做一个, 说不行, 得约看脚的医生. 这不, 约到5月中去了. 而且第一回, 不管三七二十一, 必须先照X-ray, 看了医生才能要求照MRI - this wasteful practice is partly because of the requirement of insurance!

所以美国的医疗费用太贵.

下一个研究的课题正好是 Fragmentation and cost in health care for the Medicare population.
wildcrane at 4/30/2008 22:55 快速引用
wildcrane :
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运



她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.


哦,买高的。。。

用的是三棱针吗?
emory at 4/30/2008 22:57 快速引用
什么时候开个小组会你做一个关于 medicare 的报告吧,把泡泡总也叫上,省得他成天惦记着买BOA.

wildcrane :
Johann :
你做了全面的检查吗?到底是什么病啊就放学?


西医约不着,等很久. 看膝盖的不看脚弯儿, 看脚的不看膝盖.

膝盖约的时候, 一俩个月以后, 正好看得那天好好的. 开了MRI, 去做了.

问能不能给我的脚腕也做一个, 说不行, 得约看脚的医生. 这不, 约到5月中去了. 而且第一回, 不管三七二十一, 必须先照X-ray, 看了医生才能要求照MRI - this wasteful practice is partly because of the requirement of insurance!

所以美国的医疗费用太贵.

下一个研究的课题正好是 Fragmentation and cost in health care for the Medicare population.
Johann at 4/30/2008 22:58 快速引用
confused what is the connection between medicare and BOA?

Johann :
什么时候开个小组会你做一个关于 medicare 的报告吧,把泡泡总也叫上,省得他成天惦记着买BOA.

wildcrane :
Johann :
你做了全面的检查吗?到底是什么病啊就放学?


西医约不着,等很久. 看膝盖的不看脚弯儿, 看脚的不看膝盖.

膝盖约的时候, 一俩个月以后, 正好看得那天好好的. 开了MRI, 去做了.

问能不能给我的脚腕也做一个, 说不行, 得约看脚的医生. 这不, 约到5月中去了. 而且第一回, 不管三七二十一, 必须先照X-ray, 看了医生才能要求照MRI - this wasteful practice is partly because of the requirement of insurance!

所以美国的医疗费用太贵.

下一个研究的课题正好是 Fragmentation and cost in health care for the Medicare population.
wildcrane at 4/30/2008 23:01 快速引用
emory :
wildcrane :
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运



她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.


哦,买高的。。。

用的是三棱针吗?


没敢看.
不过没有喷, 听说比较黑, 但我看着是红的, 医生解释说出来见了氧气就变红了.

然后用一个东西吸. 也没敢看见是什么.

还听说, 用了最细的针做的针灸.

下次胆子大了以后慢慢看清楚.
wildcrane at 4/30/2008 23:08 快速引用
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运



她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.


哦,买高的。。。

用的是三棱针吗?


没敢看.
不过没有喷, 听说比较黑, 但我看着是红的, 医生解释说出来见了氧气就变红了.

然后用一个东西吸. 也没敢看见是什么.

还听说, 用了最细的针做的针灸.

下次胆子大了以后慢慢看清楚.



下次你还可以顺便多看一眼她放血的位置(穴位),争取记住
emory at 4/30/2008 23:39 快速引用
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运



她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.


哦,买高的。。。

用的是三棱针吗?


没敢看.
不过没有喷, 听说比较黑, 但我看着是红的, 医生解释说出来见了氧气就变红了.

然后用一个东西吸. 也没敢看见是什么.

还听说, 用了最细的针做的针灸.

下次胆子大了以后慢慢看清楚.



下次你还可以顺便多看一眼她放血的位置(穴位),争取记住


记住了, 回来你给我扎, 我就省钱了? Laughing Laughing
wildcrane at 5/01/2008 00:31 快速引用
leefd :
我也放过。 不过不是成心的。 oops


自己扎自己吗?
wildcrane at 5/01/2008 00:34 快速引用
放血这个词儿不新鲜.
小时候打架时总用这个:谁不服就给谁放血!
现在看起来从小有治病救人的情操!

wildcrane,你服还是不服?
ShenyangRen at 5/01/2008 00:46 快速引用
ShenyangRen :
放血这个词儿不新鲜.
小时候打架时总用这个:谁不服就给谁放血!
现在看起来从小有治病救人的情操!

wildcrane,你服还是不服?


我不服, 你难道还舍得打我啊? ( cry )
wildcrane at 5/01/2008 00:48 快速引用
wildcrane :
ShenyangRen :
放血这个词儿不新鲜.
小时候打架时总用这个:谁不服就给谁放血!
现在看起来从小有治病救人的情操!

wildcrane,你服还是不服?


我不服, 你难道还舍得打我啊? ( cry )

好啊,你还敢嘴硬! 等我见到你的时候...请请你吃饭!
ShenyangRen at 5/01/2008 00:57 快速引用
ShenyangRen :
wildcrane :
ShenyangRen :
放血这个词儿不新鲜.
小时候打架时总用这个:谁不服就给谁放血!
现在看起来从小有治病救人的情操!

wildcrane,你服还是不服?


我不服, 你难道还舍得打我啊? ( cry )

好啊,你还敢嘴硬! 等我见到你的时候...请请你吃饭!


crysmile
wildcrane at 5/01/2008 01:15 快速引用
祝你好运
bagofbones at 5/01/2008 01:20 快速引用
wildcrane :
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运



她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.

这个说法我很怀疑. 难道正常部位的学是黑的, 一见氧气也变红吗? 或者淤积部位血管里的学就算是黑的, 见氧气马上变红? 好象血液里没什么成分一见大量氧气就变红的吧?

觉得看西医做X-RAY,查一下内部组织结构,放心一些吧. 上个月我右膝盖觉得酸痛, 直接去的医院WALK_IN CENTER, 医生说inflammation什么的, 可以吃点药, 加heating pads, 能自然恢复. x-ray结果正常, 我当时也就偷懒, 没吃药, 果然过两周就好了. 当时想顺便左膝盖也做一下x-ray, 很多年没做过, 不知里面长得怎样, 结果医生说不行, 你没说左面有问题, 这次不能做.

anyway, 祝你好运 祝你好运
simple at 5/01/2008 08:56 快速引用
祝你好运 祝你好运 祝你好运 祝你好运 rose rose rose rose rose rose rose rose 祝你好运 祝你好运 祝你好运 祝你好运
豆豆 at 5/01/2008 08:59 快速引用
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :

她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.

哦,买高的。。。
用的是三棱针吗?

没敢看.
不过没有喷, 听说比较黑, 但我看着是红的, 医生解释说出来见了氧气就变红了.
然后用一个东西吸. 也没敢看见是什么.
还听说, 用了最细的针做的针灸.
下次胆子大了以后慢慢看清楚.

下次你还可以顺便多看一眼她放血的位置(穴位),争取记住

记住了, 回来你给我扎, 我就省钱了? Laughing Laughing


你看清楚了,趁记着的时候最好用笔画个圈,我给你问我娘去,她自己针灸好了她的腿,她的腿疼比你厉害多了。至少可以看看你的医生是不是个大呼悠,一次100块呢。
emory at 5/01/2008 09:48 快速引用
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :

她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.

哦,买高的。。。
用的是三棱针吗?

没敢看.
不过没有喷, 听说比较黑, 但我看着是红的, 医生解释说出来见了氧气就变红了.
然后用一个东西吸. 也没敢看见是什么.
还听说, 用了最细的针做的针灸.
下次胆子大了以后慢慢看清楚.

下次你还可以顺便多看一眼她放血的位置(穴位),争取记住

记住了, 回来你给我扎, 我就省钱了? Laughing Laughing


你看清楚了,趁记着的时候最好用笔画个圈,我给你问我娘去,她自己针灸好了她的腿,她的腿疼比你厉害多了。至少可以看看你的医生是不是个大呼悠,一次100块呢。


嗯, 太有道理了.

为了这个, 下回也要勇敢地睁着眼看清了.

rose
wildcrane at 5/01/2008 10:38 快速引用
simple :
wildcrane :
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运



她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.

这个说法我很怀疑. 难道正常部位的学是黑的, 一见氧气也变红吗? 或者淤积部位血管里的学就算是黑的, 见氧气马上变红? 好象血液里没什么成分一见大量氧气就变红的吧?

觉得看西医做X-RAY,查一下内部组织结构,放心一些吧. 上个月我右膝盖觉得酸痛, 直接去的医院WALK_IN CENTER, 医生说inflammation什么的, 可以吃点药, 加heating pads, 能自然恢复. x-ray结果正常, 我当时也就偷懒, 没吃药, 果然过两周就好了. 当时想顺便左膝盖也做一下x-ray, 很多年没做过, 不知里面长得怎样, 结果医生说不行, 你没说左面有问题, 这次不能做.

anyway, 祝你好运 祝你好运


谢谢 rose

我查了查文献, 是有这种说法.
和一个懂些中医的朋友打电话, 说的基本一致.

另外, 你属于一般情况, 我现在的状况属于疑难问题 wink
也就是说, 你用的方法我都用过了, 没好, 而且已经莫名其妙疼了9个月了 (我就这样熬过来9个月了, 怪不得熬得我特没情绪 - 都没有画画的情绪还是第一回).

另外, 希望不是心理作用, 今天好象感觉好一些了.

一会儿上班去, 看看走完几步路之后如何. wink
wildcrane at 5/01/2008 10:44 快速引用
看准了下次我可以帮你放。要放多少就多少。不收费。


wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :

她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.

哦,买高的。。。
用的是三棱针吗?

没敢看.
不过没有喷, 听说比较黑, 但我看着是红的, 医生解释说出来见了氧气就变红了.
然后用一个东西吸. 也没敢看见是什么.
还听说, 用了最细的针做的针灸.
下次胆子大了以后慢慢看清楚.

下次你还可以顺便多看一眼她放血的位置(穴位),争取记住

记住了, 回来你给我扎, 我就省钱了? Laughing Laughing


你看清楚了,趁记着的时候最好用笔画个圈,我给你问我娘去,她自己针灸好了她的腿,她的腿疼比你厉害多了。至少可以看看你的医生是不是个大呼悠,一次100块呢。


嗯, 太有道理了.

为了这个, 下回也要勇敢地睁着眼看清了.

rose
leefd at 5/01/2008 11:19 快速引用
leefd :
看准了下次我可以帮你放。要放多少就多少。不收费。


wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :

她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.

哦,买高的。。。
用的是三棱针吗?

没敢看.
不过没有喷, 听说比较黑, 但我看着是红的, 医生解释说出来见了氧气就变红了.
然后用一个东西吸. 也没敢看见是什么.
还听说, 用了最细的针做的针灸.
下次胆子大了以后慢慢看清楚.

下次你还可以顺便多看一眼她放血的位置(穴位),争取记住

记住了, 回来你给我扎, 我就省钱了? Laughing Laughing


你看清楚了,趁记着的时候最好用笔画个圈,我给你问我娘去,她自己针灸好了她的腿,她的腿疼比你厉害多了。至少可以看看你的医生是不是个大呼悠,一次100块呢。


嗯, 太有道理了.

为了这个, 下回也要勇敢地睁着眼看清了.

rose


再拿个桶接着
桶里再撒把盐
整个一作血豆腐的工艺 感动
xiaozhi at 5/01/2008 11:59 快速引用
昨天我问我娘,什么医生给病人放血治病
娘说巫医 frustrated
元宝 at 5/01/2008 12:03 快速引用
元宝 :
昨天我问我娘,什么医生给病人放血治病
娘说巫医 frustrated


Laughing
rogerlee at 5/01/2008 12:05 快速引用
I see. Sounds like just small amount. I was worried they drew too much blood out. Anyway, hopefully the MRI will tell something. Best wishes!

wildcrane :
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运



她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.
pbxmeis at 5/01/2008 12:06 快速引用
wildcrane :
simple :
wildcrane :
pbxmeis :
Blood letting is still in use today in a few diseases, including hemochromatosis and polycythemia, to reduce red cell numbers. But for joint pain, I have to say i dont understand the basis. 祝你好运



她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.

这个说法我很怀疑. 难道正常部位的学是黑的, 一见氧气也变红吗? 或者淤积部位血管里的学就算是黑的, 见氧气马上变红? 好象血液里没什么成分一见大量氧气就变红的吧?

觉得看西医做X-RAY,查一下内部组织结构,放心一些吧. 上个月我右膝盖觉得酸痛, 直接去的医院WALK_IN CENTER, 医生说inflammation什么的, 可以吃点药, 加heating pads, 能自然恢复. x-ray结果正常, 我当时也就偷懒, 没吃药, 果然过两周就好了. 当时想顺便左膝盖也做一下x-ray, 很多年没做过, 不知里面长得怎样, 结果医生说不行, 你没说左面有问题, 这次不能做.

anyway, 祝你好运 祝你好运


谢谢 rose

我查了查文献, 是有这种说法.
和一个懂些中医的朋友打电话, 说的基本一致.

另外, 你属于一般情况, 我现在的状况属于疑难问题 wink
也就是说, 你用的方法我都用过了, 没好, 而且已经莫名其妙疼了9个月了 (我就这样熬过来9个月了, 怪不得熬得我特没情绪 - 都没有画画的情绪还是第一回).

另外, 希望不是心理作用, 今天好象感觉好一些了.

一会儿上班去, 看看走完几步路之后如何. wink


啊, 我是怀疑这个说法:" 医生解释说出来见了氧气就变红了. " 文献上也是这么说的??

9个月有些长, wish you all the best. smile rose
rose rose 祝你好运 祝你好运
simple at 5/01/2008 12:47 快速引用
thank you, thank you, and thank you very much Laughing

indeed, i can't read a thing.

they changed a PC for me and there is no Chinese Sad .

everything is Luan Ma.

I couldn't even pick up the right subject to reply except my own diary - i know where it is.

rose
wildcrane at 5/01/2008 13:33 快速引用
这么多各行各业的expert在这儿(MRI 拿给我看就行乐Laughing),连真医生都是现成的,下次就不用去100刀那个了。 wink 别病急乱投医阿 祝你好运
sommer33 at 5/02/2008 10:53 快速引用
绝对恐怖片啊, rated R....

hope you feel better soon rose rose

last time I had an MRI was for my jaw (TMD), and the only part that went in the machine was my head 狂笑 i wasn't afraid at all, and almost fell asleep because of the noise from the machine.

my friend's mom is a very good acupuncturist. but she's in toronto. next time you go there I can introduce you.
开会 at 5/02/2008 10:58 快速引用
I thought I was reading a horror novel. 天啊 I think there are some PC who is also specialized in acupuncture but you need to look it up on your health care book. 祝你好运 祝你好运 祝你好运 祝你好运 Get well soon!
ayu at 5/02/2008 13:26 快速引用
拿骨头来熬汤吧。Laughing

xiaozhi :
leefd :
看准了下次我可以帮你放。要放多少就多少。不收费。


wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :

她说中医里说有淤积, 血流不通, 放血如果是喷出来, 或着血很黑, 就说明果然有积淤.

哦,买高的。。。
用的是三棱针吗?

没敢看.
不过没有喷, 听说比较黑, 但我看着是红的, 医生解释说出来见了氧气就变红了.
然后用一个东西吸. 也没敢看见是什么.
还听说, 用了最细的针做的针灸.
下次胆子大了以后慢慢看清楚.

下次你还可以顺便多看一眼她放血的位置(穴位),争取记住

记住了, 回来你给我扎, 我就省钱了? Laughing Laughing


你看清楚了,趁记着的时候最好用笔画个圈,我给你问我娘去,她自己针灸好了她的腿,她的腿疼比你厉害多了。至少可以看看你的医生是不是个大呼悠,一次100块呢。


嗯, 太有道理了.

为了这个, 下回也要勇敢地睁着眼看清了.

rose


再拿个桶接着
桶里再撒把盐
整个一作血豆腐的工艺 感动
leefd at 5/03/2008 08:16 快速引用
我觉得淤血的情况,放血可能可以好得快点,但不放血,时间长点自然也应该能好的,身体应该能够吸收。

倒是有些血液病,采用放血的方法,可以刺激骨髓分化,对一些血细胞缺陷能达到弥补的作用。

simpleMM,我觉得黑的液状血遇到空气中的氧气应该能变红的,在肺里面不就是利用的这个效应吗?
WoJian at 5/03/2008 08:55 快速引用
今天又被放血了.

今天被扎了至少25针, 吸了无数次血, 虽然仍然没有敢看到底总共吸了多少血, 但50分钟时间全部被用来放血了. 时间到了的时候, 我问: 今天不针灸了? 医生说: 这就是针灸, 我还多给你做了10分钟呢.

虽然看许多人因着我放血而莫名的激动. 开车回来的路上还真是想: 扎几十下, 再吸血, 然后收75$, 还真不如自己扎呢.

其实, 就是在左膝盖的右前侧, 和膝盖后腿弯俩侧, 脚脖前后侧用针扎几下, 吸血. 我如果自己心狠手辣一点, 这么容易的事情就自己做了. 可是我不行, 这是为何出身医生家庭却从小立志绝不当医生的缘故.

先治疗着看吧. 上周治疗后的周四感觉非常好, 当时心下想, 这放血还真有奇效. 可是周六周日天阴了, 腿就疼得难过. 今天告诉医生了. 猜测上周四感觉好是因为那天天好. 这俩天出了太阳也感觉好一些.

很难说治疗是否有效. 可是病急了乱投医, 既然投了, 是不是还需要点信念才行呢?

看来应该去教会了.


刚听到医生的电话留言. 上周一做的MRI, 俩天出结果, 打了几次电话没人回.
留言里流露出检查结果有问题, 让约医生. 希望能尽快约到.
wildcrane at 5/06/2008 21:27 快速引用
哈哈,如果人人都能扎针的话,还要医生干吗?

你要是下不了狠心的话,我来,保证又痛又深的往骨头里扎!! wink wink wink




wildcrane :
今天又被放血了.

今天被扎了至少25针, 吸了无数次血, 虽然仍然没有敢看到底总共吸了多少血, 但50分钟时间全部被用来放血了. 时间到了的时候, 我问: 今天不针灸了? 医生说: 这就是针灸, 我还多给你做了10分钟呢.

虽然看许多人因着我放血而莫名的激动. 开车回来的路上还真是想: 扎几十下, 再吸血, 然后收75$, 还真不如自己扎呢.

其实, 就是在左膝盖的右前侧, 和膝盖后腿弯俩侧, 脚脖前后侧用针扎几下, 吸血. 我如果自己心狠手辣一点, 这么容易的事情就自己做了. 可是我不行, 这是为何出身医生家庭却从小立志绝不当医生的缘故.

先治疗着看吧. 上周治疗后的周四感觉非常好, 当时心下想, 这放血还真有奇效. 可是周六周日天阴了, 腿就疼得难过. 今天告诉医生了. 猜测上周四感觉好是因为那天天好. 这俩天出了太阳也感觉好一些.

很难说治疗是否有效. 可是病急了乱投医, 既然投了, 是不是还需要点信念才行呢?

看来应该去教会了.
seagulf at 5/06/2008 21:43 快速引用
你吓死我了.( 狂笑 狂笑 )

我这样的胆小鬼只能交钱买放心了.

不过开车回来的晚上看到: 一线新月在枝头.


seagulf :
哈哈,如果人人都能扎针的话,还要医生干吗?

你要是下不了狠心的话,我来,保证又痛又深的往骨头里扎!! wink wink wink




wildcrane :
今天又被放血了.

今天被扎了至少25针, 吸了无数次血, 虽然仍然没有敢看到底总共吸了多少血, 但50分钟时间全部被用来放血了. 时间到了的时候, 我问: 今天不针灸了? 医生说: 这就是针灸, 我还多给你做了10分钟呢.

虽然看许多人因着我放血而莫名的激动. 开车回来的路上还真是想: 扎几十下, 再吸血, 然后收75$, 还真不如自己扎呢.

其实, 就是在左膝盖的右前侧, 和膝盖后腿弯俩侧, 脚脖前后侧用针扎几下, 吸血. 我如果自己心狠手辣一点, 这么容易的事情就自己做了. 可是我不行, 这是为何出身医生家庭却从小立志绝不当医生的缘故.

先治疗着看吧. 上周治疗后的周四感觉非常好, 当时心下想, 这放血还真有奇效. 可是周六周日天阴了, 腿就疼得难过. 今天告诉医生了. 猜测上周四感觉好是因为那天天好. 这俩天出了太阳也感觉好一些.

很难说治疗是否有效. 可是病急了乱投医, 既然投了, 是不是还需要点信念才行呢?

看来应该去教会了.
wildcrane at 5/06/2008 23:01 快速引用
wildcrane :

其实, 就是在左膝盖的右前侧, 和膝盖后腿弯俩侧, 脚脖前后侧用针扎几下, 吸血. 我如果自己心狠手辣一点, 这么容易的事情就自己做了.


这几个地方的穴位那么密集,不懂中医经络的话,心狠手辣也白搭,真狠辣了可能还会出事。
emory at 5/06/2008 23:52 快速引用
emory :
wildcrane :

其实, 就是在左膝盖的右前侧, 和膝盖后腿弯俩侧, 脚脖前后侧用针扎几下, 吸血. 我如果自己心狠手辣一点, 这么容易的事情就自己做了.


这几个地方的穴位那么密集,不懂中医经络的话,心狠手辣也白搭,真狠辣了可能还会出事。


是啊, 我现在有点担心呢. 因为医生留言说MRI好象有问题. 但问题多严重又没有说.
明天打电话.
wildcrane at 5/07/2008 00:40 快速引用
我觉得你还是先别针灸了吧,看着都为你捏把汗,还是得把病理先搞清楚。

wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :

其实, 就是在左膝盖的右前侧, 和膝盖后腿弯俩侧, 脚脖前后侧用针扎几下, 吸血. 我如果自己心狠手辣一点, 这么容易的事情就自己做了.


这几个地方的穴位那么密集,不懂中医经络的话,心狠手辣也白搭,真狠辣了可能还会出事。


是啊, 我现在有点担心呢. 因为医生留言说MRI好象有问题. 但问题多严重又没有说.
明天打电话.
bagofbones at 5/07/2008 01:03 快速引用
同意 下周一看脚,下周三看膝盖。
终于快盼到了 smile

bagofbones :
我觉得你还是先别针灸了吧,看着都为你捏把汗,还是得把病理先搞清楚。

wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :

其实, 就是在左膝盖的右前侧, 和膝盖后腿弯俩侧, 脚脖前后侧用针扎几下, 吸血. 我如果自己心狠手辣一点, 这么容易的事情就自己做了.


这几个地方的穴位那么密集,不懂中医经络的话,心狠手辣也白搭,真狠辣了可能还会出事。


是啊, 我现在有点担心呢. 因为医生留言说MRI好象有问题. 但问题多严重又没有说.
明天打电话.
wildcrane at 5/07/2008 14:07 快速引用
同意 怎么感觉你是在开玩笑 Surprised

bagofbones :
我觉得你还是先别针灸了吧,看着都为你捏把汗,还是得把病理先搞清楚。

wildcrane :
emory :
wildcrane :

其实, 就是在左膝盖的右前侧, 和膝盖后腿弯俩侧, 脚脖前后侧用针扎几下, 吸血. 我如果自己心狠手辣一点, 这么容易的事情就自己做了.


这几个地方的穴位那么密集,不懂中医经络的话,心狠手辣也白搭,真狠辣了可能还会出事。


是啊, 我现在有点担心呢. 因为医生留言说MRI好象有问题. 但问题多严重又没有说.
明天打电话.
peachleaf at 5/07/2008 15:46 快速引用
忍了几天了
终于忍不住了
你腿都成这样了
你就没去打听打听申请个残牌儿的可行性?
憧憬中以后出去玩
大家都搭你的车
再难趴车的地儿咱也给他趴门口 happy
xiaozhi at 5/07/2008 16:03 快速引用
xiaozhi :
忍了几天了
终于忍不住了
你腿都成这样了
你就没去打听打听申请个残牌儿的可行性?
憧憬中以后出去玩
大家都搭你的车
再难趴车的地儿咱也给他趴门口 happy



你这是个啥乡党吗? 亏咱也一个城寺里的人. 没有打电话关心一下就算列, 看把你还幸灾乐祸地. 打你 打你 打你

http://www.noh18.com/gujye/lcbx.htm
wildcrane at 5/07/2008 23:43 快速引用
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