刘翔受伤和体育比赛 8/18/2008 23:05
我觉得那些说刘翔假装受伤的人stupid,不懂运动,训练和体育比赛。

我想问大家一个问题。一个运动员在比赛前受伤不能参加比赛,和健康的参加比赛,结果是最后一名相比,哪个令人尊敬? 哪个运动员是更好的运动员?我认为是能够参加比赛的athelete。一个专业运动员因受伤不能参加重要比赛,很大的原因是训练中犯了错误,导致了overtrain injure。就象马拉松训练,如果跑得太多太快,knee,legs,feet都可能受伤。成功的training应该有一个good timing,保证athelete在比赛的那个时刻处于peak condition。受伤不能参加比赛对professional athlete,是一种shame,比参赛的最后一名都不如。

你以为刘翔赛前因伤退出,对他名誉的损伤会比参加比赛拿不到金牌更小吗?我要是刘翔,如果可以比赛,绝对不会赛前临时退出。不觉得Nike这些公司会这么愚蠢,密谋刘翔干这种对自己的名声没有任何好处的事情。
你到底想说什么? confused

刘翔退出比赛是一个 shame ,你到底同不同意?
xiaoqiang at 8/18/2008 23:10 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
你到底想说什么? confused

刘翔退出比赛是一个 shame ,你到底同不同意?


是一个shame,因为训练有问题。

我认为刘翔尽力了,压力太大,训练过度,是一个悲剧。
blueZ at 8/18/2008 23:12 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
你到底想说什么? confused

刘翔退出比赛是一个 shame ,你到底同不同意?


退出的是比赛,不过是输赢,又不是生死,
刘没做错什么,也不应该冒着把自己废了的危险。
元宝 at 8/18/2008 23:19 快速引用
运动员如果想不开,真有可能是生死的问题。

日本奥运会上,马拉松比赛,本来跑第二的日本运动员在运动场内被超过了,结果这厮真的自杀了。

元宝 :
xiaoqiang :
你到底想说什么? confused

刘翔退出比赛是一个 shame ,你到底同不同意?


退出的是比赛,不过是输赢,又不是生死,
刘没做错什么,也不应该冒着把自己废了的危险。
xiaoqiang at 8/18/2008 23:29 快速引用
这个级别的运动员目标是挑战极限, 刷新世界记录. 没有超人的付出, 怎么可能得到超人的成绩? 训练超过一般水平的限度, 很正常. 运动员由此受伤也很正常, 不算SHAME.
breezy at 8/19/2008 09:38 快速引用
breezy :
这个级别的运动员目标是挑战极限, 刷新世界记录. 没有超人的付出, 怎么可能得到超人的成绩? 训练超过一般水平的限度, 很正常. 运动员由此受伤也很正常, 不算SHAME.

同意
Greentea at 8/19/2008 09:48 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
你到底想说什么? confused

刘翔退出比赛是一个 shame ,你到底同不同意?


英文的shame这个词在中文里没有正好对应的概念,讨论的时候不要混淆
开会 at 8/19/2008 10:08 快速引用
刘翔的sponsor用平常心来看这事

ZT

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/aug2008/gb20080818_700953.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories


China's Xiang Liu retires from the first round of the men's 110m hurdles at the 'Bird's Nest' National Stadium during the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games on August 18, 2008


China Olympic Hero Liu Xiang Quits Games
It's a huge heartbreak for Chinese fans and corporate sponsors, but marketers for the likes of Coke and Lenovo know it's risky to back single athletes


It was meant to be the crowning event of the Summer Olympics in Beijing. The Bird's Nest Stadium erupted in wild cheering when hometown hurdler Liu Xiang stepped onto the field. But the jubilation gave way to shock, disbelief, and heartbreak when, after an initial false start caused by another runner, Liu walked away from the field, unable to compete because of an injured Achilles tendon.

No other Chinese athlete felt more pressure coming into the games than Liu. Since winning the 110 hurdles in Athens in 2004, Liu become an overnight hero to Chinese fans and a darling of marketers, including Nike (NKE), Coca-Cola (KO), Visa (V), and McDonald's (MCD), not to mention more than a dozen Chinese brands (BusinessWeek.com, 8/8/07) ranging from tobacco company Baisha to Spring of Sudi, a real estate company. Last year, Liu's tie-ins with corporate sponsors, which also included General Motors (GM), earned him an estimated $15 million, placing him second in earnings only to Houston Rockets center Yao Ming among Chinese sports stars.

Now, as Chinese fans cope with their collective despair over Liu's tragic withdrawal from the Games, his sponsors (BusinessWeek.com, 7/31/08) are doing their best to put on a brave face. "We are still proud and honored to have him as a brand ambassador," says Keith Kaerhoeg, group communications director of Coca-Cola Pacific. "We will certainly continue our engagement with Liu Xiang and wish him a full and early recovery." Coke began working with Liu in 2003 before his Olympic win.

Will Sponsors Stand By Him?
Still, you can bet Coke is praying Liu will be back in competition soon. Coke's partnership with Liu Xiang has been one of China's most successful Olympic-related campaigns. According to data collected in May by market research firm Nielsen, 62% of those asked were able to recall a Coke ad in which he was featured. Despite his injury, he is still scheduled to make an appearance at Coke's pavilion on the Olympic green later this week.

How many of those lucrative sponsorship deals will continue after the Olympics is over remains to be seen. Hurdlers are among the most injury-prone athletes, and Liu had been plagued by difficulties since May. His teary-eyed coach, Feng Shuyong, told a press conference where Liu was not in attendance that "if his injury weren't so serious, he would never have quit," according to the official Chinese news agency Xinhua. That statement does not augur well at all for Liu's future in competition. He will be 30 for the next Olympics.

Of course, sponsoring individuals is always more chancy than backing entire teams or events. "From a marketing perspective, association with athletes carries special risks, from notoriety to injury," says Seth Grossman, communication planning director at Aegis Group subsidiary Carat China in Shanghai. "The future for Liu Xiang and those brands is anybody's guess, but this isn't the time where major brand decisions are made."

Not All Sponsorships in One Basket
PC maker Lenovo says it's impossible to speculate on how Liu will reckon in its marketing plans going forward. As company spokesman Bob Page in Beijing points out, Liu Xiang was one of 15 athletes working with Lenovo; others include U.S. women's beach volleyball duo Kerri Walsh and Misty May-Treanor, and Australian women's swimming 50-meter freestyle world record-holder Libby Trickett. So while Liu's withdrawal from the games comes as a disappointment, the company didn't have everything riding on him alone. "These things happen," says Page, "Some athletes do extremely well and some don't, that's part of competing in the Olympic Games."

With Liu out of the competition, Cuban sensation Dayron Robles looks like a shoo-in for the 110 men's hurdles gold medal. If that's the case, you can be sure corporate sponsors will be beating down his door to sign deals.
豆豆 at 8/19/2008 10:21 快速引用
Greentea :
breezy :
这个级别的运动员目标是挑战极限, 刷新世界记录. 没有超人的付出, 怎么可能得到超人的成绩? 训练超过一般水平的限度, 很正常. 运动员由此受伤也很正常, 不算SHAME.

同意


训练是一门科学,不是凭傻力气蛮干就可以取得好成绩的。
因为受伤在比赛前的一瞬间不能参加比赛是一件让这个级别的运动员最郁闷的事情。
blueZ at 8/19/2008 10:37 快速引用
blueZ :
Greentea :
breezy :
这个级别的运动员目标是挑战极限, 刷新世界记录. 没有超人的付出, 怎么可能得到超人的成绩? 训练超过一般水平的限度, 很正常. 运动员由此受伤也很正常, 不算SHAME.

同意

训练是一门科学,不是凭傻力气蛮干就可以取得好成绩的。
因为受伤在比赛前的一瞬间不能参加比赛是一件让这个级别的运动员最郁闷的事情。

同意
可是,可是,因为比赛前热身时或赛中旧伤意外复发而退赛的名将很多啊,同一天晚上110米栏的名将特拉梅尔同样因为伤病退赛。

你不是理解刘翔的么。咱们可不可以别在批评他了 cry
Greentea at 8/19/2008 10:44 快速引用
Greentea :
blueZ :
Greentea :
breezy :
这个级别的运动员目标是挑战极限, 刷新世界记录. 没有超人的付出, 怎么可能得到超人的成绩? 训练超过一般水平的限度, 很正常. 运动员由此受伤也很正常, 不算SHAME.

同意

训练是一门科学,不是凭傻力气蛮干就可以取得好成绩的。
因为受伤在比赛前的一瞬间不能参加比赛是一件让这个级别的运动员最郁闷的事情。

同意
可是,可是,因为比赛前热身时或赛中旧伤意外复发而退赛的名将很多啊,同一天晚上110米栏的名将特拉梅尔同样因为伤病退赛。

你不是理解刘翔的么。咱们可不可以别在批评他了 cry


我没有批评刘翔,我是批判某些说刘翔装作受伤不跑的人。相反,我觉得刘翔已经尽力了。刘翔训练时肯定犯了什么错误,不过我等非专业人士还是不评论的好。
blueZ at 8/19/2008 10:49 快速引用
blueZ :
Greentea :
breezy :
这个级别的运动员目标是挑战极限, 刷新世界记录. 没有超人的付出, 怎么可能得到超人的成绩? 训练超过一般水平的限度, 很正常. 运动员由此受伤也很正常, 不算SHAME.

同意


训练是一门科学,不是凭傻力气蛮干就可以取得好成绩的。
因为受伤在比赛前的一瞬间不能参加比赛是一件让这个级别的运动员最郁闷的事情。


嗯, 同意一半. 普通运动员的训练是科学, 因为已经有成熟合理的训练方法了.
极品的运动员的训练, 估计是一半科学一半摸索. 那一半的摸索过场中, 出错是难免的.
光凭傻力气当然不能取得好成绩, 但没有冒险创新, 也难出破记录的成绩. 大家全都按部就班, 那凭什么是你得冠军呢?

某某人说, 科学没有平坦大道, 勇于攀登的人, 才能如何如何......

偶同意他不能参加比赛是非常郁闷的. 以小人之心猜测他的人也很讨厌.
breezy at 8/19/2008 11:01 快速引用
support 还是集中火力批男足吧,大家比较容易达成共识。

Greentea :

你不是理解刘翔的么。咱们可不可以别在批评他了 cry
xiaoqiang at 8/19/2008 11:45 快速引用
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