Chopin 10/15/2008 20:25


为什么我一看chopin的标题就知道是xiaoqiang贴的??

生活网怎么成这样了。。。 狂笑 狂笑



顺便,我昨晚2点多给吵醒,睡不着就起来,热了杯牛奶,听了会儿chopin,然后就又困了,回去睡觉了 happy
开会 at 10/15/2008 22:00 快速引用
Shubert Piano Sonata in G Major.

Richter's interpretation is THE best.


xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 00:11 快速引用
confused frustrated


开会 :
为什么我一看chopin的标题就知道是xiaoqiang贴的??

生活网怎么成这样了。。。 狂笑 狂笑



xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 00:11 快速引用
前两天听广播里说到,音乐评论是最困难的行当,因为音乐这东西,不想政治那样跟人们的生活息息相关,不象文学、诗歌那样有迹可循。。 后来没听完就离开了,不晓得说些什么。我想着音乐是人类最初始的艺术形式,在诗歌、文学、政治还没有真正开始之前,原始人就晓得伴随音乐扭动身体,进行所谓“舞蹈”了。This is your brain on music 的引文里说,有个非洲人说“你怎么会不晓得音乐,任何音乐?”在那最原始的头脑看来,音乐就是生命的初始,以及终结罢。
vieplivee at 10/16/2008 03:32 快速引用
好听,最喜欢钢琴曲 happy

该组织去jordan hall了,(.............满地找野鹤中.........)
emory at 10/16/2008 09:36 快速引用
A musician can destroy a great piece of music. If a person's first encounter with Shubert's sonata in D major is via anyone other than Richter, s/he probably won't listen to it for the second time.

Always seeks a second opinion.
xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 10:00 快速引用
is the player in the first video an amateur or a professional? sounds to me he (or her) is practicing instead of giving a formal performance. the tempo needs to be increased as this piece is supposed to be waltz (my personal opinion).
xinyu at 10/16/2008 10:01 快速引用
xinyu :
is the player in the first video an amateur or a professional? sounds to me he (or her) is practicing instead of giving a formal performance. the tempo needs to be increased as this piece is supposed to be waltz (my personal opinion).


What is "waltz"? oops
blueZ at 10/16/2008 10:03 快速引用
blueZ :
xinyu :
is the player in the first video an amateur or a professional? sounds to me he (or her) is practicing instead of giving a formal performance. the tempo needs to be increased as this piece is supposed to be waltz (my personal opinion).


What is "waltz"? oops

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltz_(music)

the tempo of most of waltz music is quite fast. many piano learners start out practicing much slower, and then work their way up gradually. smile
xinyu at 10/16/2008 10:12 快速引用
Don't know.

Above amateur for sure, listen to section B, not many people can do that.


xinyu :
is the player in the first video an amateur or a professional? sounds to me he (or her) is practicing instead of giving a formal performance. the tempo needs to be increased as this piece is supposed to be waltz (my personal opinion).
xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 10:20 快速引用
xinyu :
blueZ :
xinyu :
is the player in the first video an amateur or a professional? sounds to me he (or her) is practicing instead of giving a formal performance. the tempo needs to be increased as this piece is supposed to be waltz (my personal opinion).


What is "waltz"? oops

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltz_(music)

the tempo of most of waltz music is quite fast. many piano learners start out practicing much slower, and then work their way up gradually. smile


" A waltz has a 1.2.3. - 1.2.3. count and (generally) a slow tempo."
blueZ at 10/16/2008 10:34 快速引用
same here, and i know he would post a video Laughing happy

开会 :
为什么我一看chopin的标题就知道是xiaoqiang贴的??

生活网怎么成这样了。。。 狂笑 狂笑



顺便,我昨晚2点多给吵醒,睡不着就起来,热了杯牛奶,听了会儿chopin,然后就又困了,回去睡觉了 happy
peachleaf at 10/16/2008 11:58 快速引用
little friend:

persoone at 10/16/2008 13:07 快速引用
He plays too fast, and some notes are not very clear.

persoone :
little friend:

xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 13:29 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
He plays too fast, and some notes are not very clear.

persoone :
little friend:



He is only 11. It is said that he is the recognized as the top in the nation in his age group.
persoone at 10/16/2008 14:05 快速引用
That's why US is not among the top nations in music.

persoone :
xiaoqiang :
He plays too fast, and some notes are not very clear.

persoone :
little friend:



He is only 11. It is said that he is the recognized as the top in the nation in his age group.
xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 14:08 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
That's why US is not among the top nations in music.



hahaha...it is true for classic music
persoone at 10/16/2008 15:00 快速引用
blueZ :
xinyu :
blueZ :
xinyu :
is the player in the first video an amateur or a professional? sounds to me he (or her) is practicing instead of giving a formal performance. the tempo needs to be increased as this piece is supposed to be waltz (my personal opinion).


What is "waltz"? oops

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltz_(music)

the tempo of most of waltz music is quite fast. many piano learners start out practicing much slower, and then work their way up gradually. smile


" A waltz has a 1.2.3. - 1.2.3. count and (generally) a slow tempo."

Experiments done. Now I have time to water here~~~

brother, you're a good scientist. buuut, 此slow非彼slow. don't know how to make myself well understood. I can lend you some CDs. listen to some waltz music yourself, then you may understand what I mean. (it's also good for your baby if fresh_orange mm listens to them often smile. classic waltz, particularly Viennese waltz, is music dance of joy, quite fast. even a slow waltz is dance with a tempo faster than the piece in this video. of course, Chopin composed some waltz pieces which were clearly not intended to be danced to, but it's not supposed this slow.
xinyu at 10/16/2008 17:20 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
Don't know.

Above amateur for sure, listen to section B, not many people can do that.


xinyu :
is the player in the first video an amateur or a professional? sounds to me he (or her) is practicing instead of giving a formal performance. the tempo needs to be increased as this piece is supposed to be waltz (my personal opinion).

on this, i agree.
xinyu at 10/16/2008 17:20 快速引用
开会 :

顺便,我昨晚2点多给吵醒,睡不着就起来,热了杯牛奶,听了会儿chopin,然后就又困了,回去睡觉了 happy

many of Chopin's piano works have a hypnotic effect on audience. happy
xinyu at 10/16/2008 17:22 快速引用
persoone :
little friend:

He plays amazingly fast and brilliantly. 牛
xinyu at 10/16/2008 17:23 快速引用
xinyu :
persoone :
little friend:

He plays amazingly fast and brilliantly. 牛

你是真的发自内心的觉得这个小孩谈得比第一个video里那个好? confused
vieplivee at 10/16/2008 18:11 快速引用
vieplivee :
xinyu :
persoone :
little friend:

He plays amazingly fast and brilliantly. 牛

你是真的发自内心的觉得这个小孩谈得比第一个video里那个好? confused

no. did i say that?
for age 11, the boy is very good, deserves 牛
if the first player plays at the boy's tempo, i'm not sure who is better.
xinyu at 10/16/2008 18:12 快速引用
xinyu :
vieplivee :
xinyu :
persoone :
little friend:

He plays amazingly fast and brilliantly. 牛

你是真的发自内心的觉得这个小孩谈得比第一个video里那个好? confused

no. did i say that?
for age 11, the boy is very good, deserves 牛
if the first player plays at the boy's tempo, i'm not sure who is better.

11岁小孩弹那样的确不容易 牛
这个是同一个人的version 2,我好像更喜欢慢版 smile
vieplivee at 10/16/2008 18:52 快速引用
这个曲子标的是 Allegretto,第一个弹的比 90 稍微慢一点儿,应该不算非常离谱。

xinyu :
blueZ :
xinyu :
blueZ :
xinyu :
is the player in the first video an amateur or a professional? sounds to me he (or her) is practicing instead of giving a formal performance. the tempo needs to be increased as this piece is supposed to be waltz (my personal opinion).


What is "waltz"? oops

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltz_(music)

the tempo of most of waltz music is quite fast. many piano learners start out practicing much slower, and then work their way up gradually. smile


" A waltz has a 1.2.3. - 1.2.3. count and (generally) a slow tempo."

Experiments done. Now I have time to water here~~~

brother, you're a good scientist. buuut, 此slow非彼slow. don't know how to make myself well understood. I can lend you some CDs. listen to some waltz music yourself, then you may understand what I mean. (it's also good for your baby if fresh_orange mm listens to them often smile. classic waltz, particularly Viennese waltz, is music dance of joy, quite fast. even a slow waltz is dance with a tempo faster than the piece in this video. of course, Chopin composed some waltz pieces which were clearly not intended to be danced to, but it's not supposed this slow.
xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 20:14 快速引用
If the first player play the kid's piece at the kid's tempo, there is no doubt the first player will be better. It is the difference between an artist and a craftman.

xinyu :
vieplivee :
xinyu :
persoone :
little friend:

He plays amazingly fast and brilliantly. 牛

你是真的发自内心的觉得这个小孩谈得比第一个video里那个好? confused

no. did i say that?
for age 11, the boy is very good, deserves 牛
if the first player plays at the boy's tempo, i'm not sure who is better.
xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 20:17 快速引用
难道没人觉得第二首更好听吗? 我晕
xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 20:20 快速引用
第二首很好的,可是正在状态里的我,一看到那个人的脸不由得扑哧一声笑了出来……
vieplivee at 10/16/2008 22:08 快速引用
A cheap pop version of the same piece:

xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 22:31 快速引用
A slow but difficult way to play the same song. It is however still inferior to the Korean version.

xiaoqiang at 10/16/2008 22:35 快速引用
vieplivee :
xinyu :
vieplivee :
xinyu :
persoone :
little friend:

He plays amazingly fast and brilliantly. 牛

你是真的发自内心的觉得这个小孩谈得比第一个video里那个好? confused

no. did i say that?
for age 11, the boy is very good, deserves 牛
if the first player plays at the boy's tempo, i'm not sure who is better.

11岁小孩弹那样的确不容易 牛
这个是同一个人的version 2,我好像更喜欢慢版 smile


honestly speaking, this version is better than the first one in term of techniques. of course, art is not all about techniques. in term of emotion expression, i personally feel this one is also better.

nonetheless, art appreciation is a very individualized and subjective mental activity. I can understand why you like the slower version better. rely on your own sense.smile
xinyu at 10/19/2008 20:00 快速引用
I didn’t say it is 非常离谱. I was explaining to BlueZ why I feel the tempo needs to be increased.

xiaoqiang :
这个曲子标的是 Allegretto,第一个弹的比 90 稍微慢一点儿,应该不算非常离谱。

xinyu :
blueZ :
xinyu :
blueZ :
xinyu :
is the player in the first video an amateur or a professional? sounds to me he (or her) is practicing instead of giving a formal performance. the tempo needs to be increased as this piece is supposed to be waltz (my personal opinion).


What is "waltz"? oops

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltz_(music)

the tempo of most of waltz music is quite fast. many piano learners start out practicing much slower, and then work their way up gradually. smile


" A waltz has a 1.2.3. - 1.2.3. count and (generally) a slow tempo."

Experiments done. Now I have time to water here~~~

brother, you're a good scientist. buuut, 此slow非彼slow. don't know how to make myself well understood. I can lend you some CDs. listen to some waltz music yourself, then you may understand what I mean. (it's also good for your baby if fresh_orange mm listens to them often smile. classic waltz, particularly Viennese waltz, is music dance of joy, quite fast. even a slow waltz is dance with a tempo faster than the piece in this video. of course, Chopin composed some waltz pieces which were clearly not intended to be danced to, but it's not supposed this slow.
xinyu at 10/19/2008 20:01 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
If the first player play the kid's piece at the kid's tempo, there is no doubt the first player will be better. It is the difference between an artist and a craftman.

xinyu :
vieplivee :
xinyu :
persoone :
little friend:

He plays amazingly fast and brilliantly. 牛

你是真的发自内心的觉得这个小孩谈得比第一个video里那个好? confused

no. did i say that?
for age 11, the boy is very good, deserves 牛
if the first player plays at the boy's tempo, i'm not sure who is better.

I wouldn’t make your judgment until I hear the first player plays at the boy’s tempo. Moreover, it’s not fair to compare them in this way. I should have said “if the first player plays at the boy’s age and the boy’s tempo, I’m not sure who is better”. Just as athletes in sports such as boxing and weight-lifting are classified according to their body weight, participants in piano competition are usually divided into different age groups. I admit the boy’s performance is more of demonstration of his skill rather than personal interpretation of the music. But, given enough time, when he grows older and obtains deeper and richer understanding of life and music, who knows how great he shall be. As to the adult player, from the two videos you and vieplivee provided, I can sense that he is somehow小心翼翼中规中矩地 practicing, far from having worked his way out of craftsmanship either.
xinyu at 10/19/2008 20:04 快速引用
Many musical talents of our time made their debut at Carnegie Hall at very young age.

There are certain things in this world that practice and experience do not help.

If we confine our topic just to Chopin, the first player did a much better job than the kid -------- end of the story.

If we talk about technic, or the scope of possibility, what if I tell you that the first player is blind, or deaf, or at age of 100, or is suffering from some neuros desease, or that there are actually two players both using their right hands... I just give out some possible scenarios. Will that affect the quality of the music s/he played?


xinyu :
I admit the boy’s performance is more of demonstration of his skill rather than personal interpretation of the music. But, given enough time, when he grows older and obtains deeper and richer understanding of life and music, who knows how great he shall be.
xiaoqiang at 10/20/2008 00:59 快速引用
taigang!

i didn't thumb up to the first video. you need to be so upset and defensive Laughing
xinyu at 10/20/2008 18:56 快速引用
xinyu :

honestly speaking, this version is better than the first one in term of techniques. of course, art is not all about techniques. in term of emotion expression, i personally feel this one is also better.

nonetheless, art appreciation is a very individualized and subjective mental activity. I can understand why you like the slower version better. rely on your own sense.smile

千万别客气。。 我大概一共听过的钢琴曲也没几首,还是相信你说的比较安全些。多谢指教 BTW rose

BBTW here's an interesting link: http://www.klippel-listeningtest.de/lt/instructions.html
vieplivee at 10/20/2008 19:10 快速引用


xiaoqiang at 10/20/2008 20:33 快速引用
小资本主义的小曲儿还是不如这个好听:

xiaoqiang at 10/20/2008 21:16 快速引用
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