感觉一般 7/30/2009 18:00
干半天,老板都要升正教授了。我们在学校里连个职称都没有变化。就没职称 (工资这些年下来已经和跟我干同行的在企业界的差到6万以上的水平了),结果还得自己开口去要。到美国这么多年还是不习惯自己开口要。感觉很不咋样。何况今年即使改个名字也没有实际的工资增长。只是因为这个名称早些年就应该要求换的一直自己不在意。今年在意了呢,人家整个哈佛freeze - 就去要了个不长工资的名字变化。可笑不?

就这不加工资的还得自己开口要,老板说她没问题,不知人事能通过否?让我自己想我要什么名字?我想的名字又不能痛快地给,还得动脑筋想。
都有什么名字啊? Laughing

回家了。 感觉实在不咋样啊 委屈阿。 我哭

(我知道一些人要回复什么:没把我解雇了就算好的了)
还是到企业界来吧
学校是清水衙门啊

你现在啥title?前面加个Senior呗
如果已经Senior,就换成Principal
shaojiu at 7/30/2009 18:25 快速引用
wildcrane :
干半天,老板都要升正教授了。我们在学校里连个职称都没有变化。就没职称 (工资这些年下来已经和跟我干同行的在企业界的差到6万以上的水平了),结果还得自己开口去要。到美国这么多年还是不习惯自己开口要。感觉很不咋样。何况今年即使改个名字也没有实际的工资增长。只是因为这个名称早些年就应该要求换的一直自己不在意。今年在意了呢,人家整个哈佛freeze - 就去要了个不长工资的名字变化。可笑不?

就这不加工资的还得自己开口要,老板说她没问题,不知人事能通过否?让我自己想我要什么名字?我想的名字又不能痛快地给,还得动脑筋想。
都有什么名字啊? Laughing

回家了。 感觉实在不咋样啊 委屈阿。 我哭

(我知道一些人要回复什么:没把我解雇了就算好的了)


只要个名称的故事,我想的是齐天大圣.
dianzi at 7/30/2009 18:29 快速引用
shaojiu :
还是到企业界来吧
学校是清水衙门啊

你现在啥title?前面加个Senior呗
如果已经Senior,就换成Principal


野鹤你怎么着也得要个consulting的级别才配的上你的才华啊.
ciao at 7/30/2009 18:35 快速引用
这些都是骗人的。

把老板炒了蒜了。


wildcrane :
人家整个哈佛freeze

老板说她没问题,不知人事能通过否?
xiaoqiang at 7/30/2009 19:20 快速引用
想想你多自由啊,"生命诚可贵,爱情价更高,若为自由故,二者皆可抛。"何况区区Title。 wink

美国这地方,什么都得自己去争取吧。这点上我也不行,我们受的传统教育比较害人。 frustrated
MorningMoon at 7/30/2009 19:47 快速引用
今年的确形势不好,能改名字也很不错了,改了名字以后升值空间大,挺好的,我支持你,成功了再恭喜你!
开会 at 7/30/2009 21:41 快速引用
No. Today the CEO of BoA announced that the recession will be over in the second half of this year. OBM's administration concurs. There is no need for more proof.

No more talk about green shoots. The recession is over. Period.

开会 :
今年的确形势不好,能改名字也很不错了,改了名字以后升值空间大,挺好的,我支持你,成功了再恭喜你!
xiaoqiang at 7/30/2009 22:03 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
No. Today the CEO of BoA announced that the recession will be over in the second half of this year. OBM's administration concurs. There is no need for more proof.

No more talk about green shoots. The recession is over. Period.

开会 :
今年的确形势不好,能改名字也很不错了,改了名字以后升值空间大,挺好的,我支持你,成功了再恭喜你!


不管危机过没过,机构反正拿出了操底的架势了。短期还是跟着往高猜比较合算。
WoJian at 7/30/2009 22:54 快速引用
同意

But this green shoots melodrama is not going to end up nicely. 祝你好运

Maybe I am a little too paranoid. 我靠


WoJian :
xiaoqiang :
No. Today the CEO of BoA announced that the recession will be over in the second half of this year. OBM's administration concurs. There is no need for more proof.

No more talk about green shoots. The recession is over. Period.

开会 :
今年的确形势不好,能改名字也很不错了,改了名字以后升值空间大,挺好的,我支持你,成功了再恭喜你!


不管危机过没过,机构反正拿出了操底的架势了。短期还是跟着往高猜比较合算。
xiaoqiang at 7/30/2009 23:00 快速引用
I over-estimated 中国政府 too much.

OBM is not that bad. Comparing to Bush, maybe. Comparing to other countries, he still maintains an upper hand. 牛
xiaoqiang at 7/30/2009 23:02 快速引用
开会 :
今年的确形势不好,能改名字也很不错了,改了名字以后升值空间大,挺好的,我支持你,成功了再恭喜你!


是啊, 我以前就没这么想, 所以一直没管. 今年意识到这个好处, 就冻结了.
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 00:16 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
I over-estimated 中国政府 too much.

OBM is not that bad. Comparing to Bush, maybe. Comparing to other countries, he still maintains an upper hand. 牛


到底是到底了没有?
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 00:18 快速引用
shaojiu :
还是到企业界来吧
学校是清水衙门啊

你现在啥title?前面加个Senior呗
如果已经Senior,就换成Principal


可是我常年这么散漫, 是不是真的不需一周就被遣送回家了?
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 00:20 快速引用
dianzi :
wildcrane :
干半天,老板都要升正教授了。我们在学校里连个职称都没有变化。就没职称 (工资这些年下来已经和跟我干同行的在企业界的差到6万以上的水平了),结果还得自己开口去要。到美国这么多年还是不习惯自己开口要。感觉很不咋样。何况今年即使改个名字也没有实际的工资增长。只是因为这个名称早些年就应该要求换的一直自己不在意。今年在意了呢,人家整个哈佛freeze - 就去要了个不长工资的名字变化。可笑不?

就这不加工资的还得自己开口要,老板说她没问题,不知人事能通过否?让我自己想我要什么名字?我想的名字又不能痛快地给,还得动脑筋想。
都有什么名字啊? Laughing

回家了。 感觉实在不咋样啊 委屈阿。 我哭

(我知道一些人要回复什么:没把我解雇了就算好的了)


只要个名称的故事,我想的是齐天大圣.


没办法啊, 今年是冻结状态.
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 00:21 快速引用
ciao :
shaojiu :
还是到企业界来吧
学校是清水衙门啊

你现在啥title?前面加个Senior呗
如果已经Senior,就换成Principal


野鹤你怎么着也得要个consulting的级别才配的上你的才华啊.


嘿嘿, 所以我委屈啊.
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 00:22 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
这些都是骗人的。

把老板炒了蒜了。


wildcrane :
人家整个哈佛freeze

老板说她没问题,不知人事能通过否?


可以考虑
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 00:24 快速引用
MorningMoon :
想想你多自由啊,"生命诚可贵,爱情价更高,若为自由故,二者皆可抛。"何况区区Title。 wink

美国这地方,什么都得自己去争取吧。这点上我也不行,我们受的传统教育比较害人。 frustrated


我也没那么自由吧? 相对自由点 smile
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 00:25 快速引用
其实呢我是一只青蛙,小姐如果你一定要叫我蛤蟆,可不可以不要加个癞字在前面
Gemini at 7/31/2009 00:28 快速引用
还是xiaoqiang干脆,我怎么每次都看成是炒了蒜苗?又没有蒜苗可炒。frustrated

xiaoqiang :
这些都是骗人的。

把老板炒了蒜了。


wildcrane :
人家整个哈佛freeze

老板说她没问题,不知人事能通过否?
MorningMoon at 7/31/2009 08:15 快速引用
狂笑 狂笑
support 炒老板 - 都跟你说了多少次了..

MorningMoon :
还是xiaoqiang干脆,我怎么每次都看成是炒了蒜苗?又没有蒜苗可炒。frustrated

xiaoqiang :
这些都是骗人的。

把老板炒了蒜了。


wildcrane :
人家整个哈佛freeze

老板说她没问题,不知人事能通过否?
peachleaf at 7/31/2009 10:34 快速引用
考虑到刚刚才走进办公室,就感觉老板没炒我不容易啊 狂笑 狂笑 狂笑

peachleaf :
狂笑 狂笑
support 炒老板 - 都跟你说了多少次了..

MorningMoon :
还是xiaoqiang干脆,我怎么每次都看成是炒了蒜苗?又没有蒜苗可炒。frustrated

xiaoqiang :
这些都是骗人的。

把老板炒了蒜了。


wildcrane :
人家整个哈佛freeze

老板说她没问题,不知人事能通过否?
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 12:14 快速引用
wildcrane :
考虑到刚刚才走进办公室,就感觉老板没炒我不容易啊 狂笑 狂笑 狂笑

peachleaf :
狂笑 狂笑
support 炒老板 - 都跟你说了多少次了..

MorningMoon :
还是xiaoqiang干脆,我怎么每次都看成是炒了蒜苗?又没有蒜苗可炒。frustrated

xiaoqiang :
这些都是骗人的。

把老板炒了蒜了。


wildcrane :
人家整个哈佛freeze

老板说她没问题,不知人事能通过否?



狂笑 狂笑 狂笑 同意
元宝 at 7/31/2009 12:19 快速引用
Gemini :
其实呢我是一只青蛙,小姐如果你一定要叫我蛤蟆,可不可以不要加个癞字在前面


哈哈

如果在中国,其实呢我是一只青蛙,小姐如果你一定要叫我蛤蟆,可不可以加个癞字在前面?否则我就真的被炒了。
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 12:28 快速引用
不涨薪就少干活, 拿本paper坐着养神.
breezy at 7/31/2009 17:01 快速引用
breezy :
不涨薪就少干活, 拿本paper坐着养神.


SM啊,你这个建议很难实现。你仔细看一眼野鹤今天在这个帖子里发的第一帖的时间和说的话。
WoJian at 7/31/2009 17:14 快速引用
Yes. I still remember that those guys also said housing price is different from stock market. It can only go up.

WoJian :
xiaoqiang :
No. Today the CEO of BoA announced that the recession will be over in the second half of this year. OBM's administration concurs. There is no need for more proof.

No more talk about green shoots. The recession is over. Period.

开会 :
今年的确形势不好,能改名字也很不错了,改了名字以后升值空间大,挺好的,我支持你,成功了再恭喜你!


不管危机过没过,机构反正拿出了操底的架势了。短期还是跟着往高猜比较合算。
puppeteer at 7/31/2009 18:30 快速引用
我决定等我现在做的一个比较大的项目的文章出了 - 因为这个项目的文章应该是在很好的杂志发表。然后还要等把我第一作者的一个项目做完。然后可以跳槽。目前有15篇文章。希望一年以后能增加到18篇?靠,就是这样放不下的结果。

问题是老板要好些个大的项目九月上来,都是俩三年以后才能做出文章的。我接不接呢?
如果接受做全职根公司干一样多活,那我难道不该去公司处理至少多挣点钱?怎么办?
wildcrane at 7/31/2009 19:12 快速引用
18篇和15篇没什么大区别吧,可以先找offer试一下,趁着你现在有空,比较一下offer再决定了。

wildcrane :
我决定等我现在做的一个比较大的项目的文章出了 - 因为这个项目的文章应该是在很好的杂志发表。然后还要等把我第一作者的一个项目做完。然后可以跳槽。目前有15篇文章。希望一年以后能增加到18篇?靠,就是这样放不下的结果。

问题是老板要好些个大的项目九月上来,都是俩三年以后才能做出文章的。我接不接呢?
如果接受做全职根公司干一样多活,那我难道不该去公司处理至少多挣点钱?怎么办?
MorningMoon at 7/31/2009 19:22 快速引用
哈,你这算周期性的问题了。 wink
学校和公司永远都是各 有各的好处和坏处,就看怎么选择了
公司看起来薪水高一些,可是干的活多啊,操心的地方多阿, 按hourly rate算,应该差不多。$$说到底还是身外之物,在公司不过是多沾一点铜锈。
日子绝对没 你现在悠闲,画画上课不大容易做到。
咱们这个专业就是忙,除非做一些边边角角。 这两周,每周10几个会,每天5,60个emails, 看都看不过来,每晚往床上一仍, 觉得太幸福了,终于可以睡觉了,

你要是决定了跳,现在好几个本地的公司正招人呢 smile
暂时不动的话,title么,觉得scientist, fellow, etc很attractive 祝你好运
文章5篇就够到公司的了。
simple at 7/31/2009 22:05 快速引用
simple :
哈,你这算周期性的问题了。 wink
学校和公司永远都是各 有各的好处和坏处,就看怎么选择了
公司看起来薪水高一些,可是干的活多啊,操心的地方多阿, 按hourly rate算,应该差不多。$$说到底还是身外之物,在公司不过是多沾一点铜锈。
日子绝对没 你现在悠闲,画画上课不大容易做到。
咱们这个专业就是忙,除非做一些边边角角。 这两周,每周10几个会,每天5,60个emails, 看都看不过来,每晚往床上一仍, 觉得太幸福了,终于可以睡觉了,

你要是决定了跳,现在好几个本地的公司正招人呢 smile
暂时不动的话,title么,觉得scientist, fellow, etc很attractive 祝你好运
文章5篇就够到公司的了。


有道理. 同意 谢谢
wildcrane at 8/01/2009 10:55 快速引用
Somehow, I think your post is very funny. " Don't want to work"

I showed it to my coworker. We work at a financial service company. Her response is that " She/he is just like us!"

I have sympathy for you, because almost everybody I work with say that" I don't want to work and I want to go home." I do have a very stressful and busy job at corporate world. However, sometimes I love it and sometimes I hate it. It is a mixed feeling.

What I can say. It is life. It doesn't seem there is a perfect place for anybody.

I read some priors articles you wrote and saw the pictures your uploaded. You seem to be a person who is very passionate about nature and sentimental too.

Maybe take a vacation day! That may help! wink
Himalaya at 8/10/2009 14:30 快速引用
Himalaya :
Somehow, I think your post is very funny. " Don't want to work"

I showed it to my coworker. We work at a financial service company. Her response is that " She/he is just like us!"

I have sympathy for you, because almost everybody I work with say that" I don't want to work and I want to go home." I do have a very stressful and busy job at corporate world. However, sometimes I love it and sometimes I hate it. It is a mixed feeling.

What I can say. It is life. It doesn't seem there is a perfect place for anybody.

I read some priors articles you wrote and saw the pictures your uploaded. You seem to be a person who is very passionate about nature and sentimental too.

Maybe take a vacation day! That may help! wink


A vacation day may not be enough. I think I need a vacation year! Laughing Laughing

Thank you for your 'sympathy'. smile

you are right that I am passionate about nature and sentimental. Being in an office for years feels like a hamster on a running wheel!
wildcrane at 8/10/2009 15:02 快速引用
wildcrane :
Himalaya :
Somehow, I think your post is very funny. " Don't want to work"

I showed it to my coworker. We work at a financial service company. Her response is that " She/he is just like us!"

I have sympathy for you, because almost everybody I work with say that" I don't want to work and I want to go home." I do have a very stressful and busy job at corporate world. However, sometimes I love it and sometimes I hate it. It is a mixed feeling.

What I can say. It is life. It doesn't seem there is a perfect place for anybody.

I read some priors articles you wrote and saw the pictures your uploaded. You seem to be a person who is very passionate about nature and sentimental too.

Maybe take a vacation day! That may help! wink


A vacation day may not be enough. I think I need a vacation year! Laughing Laughing

Thank you for your 'sympathy'. smile

you are right that I am passionate about nature and sentimental. Being in an office for years feels like a hamster on a running wheel!


Don't be too greedy smile smile Just kidding !!!!!
Actually I thought you guys should have more vacations day than us. I really envy people who work on campus sometimes. 崇拜
You make me think about the famous novel by Qian Zhongshu "WEI CHENG" I hope I didn't wrong name the author. Have a good day 祝你好运
Himalaya at 8/10/2009 15:37 快速引用
Himalaya :
wildcrane :
Himalaya :
Somehow, I think your post is very funny. " Don't want to work"

I showed it to my coworker. We work at a financial service company. Her response is that " She/he is just like us!"

I have sympathy for you, because almost everybody I work with say that" I don't want to work and I want to go home." I do have a very stressful and busy job at corporate world. However, sometimes I love it and sometimes I hate it. It is a mixed feeling.

What I can say. It is life. It doesn't seem there is a perfect place for anybody.

I read some priors articles you wrote and saw the pictures your uploaded. You seem to be a person who is very passionate about nature and sentimental too.

Maybe take a vacation day! That may help! wink


A vacation day may not be enough. I think I need a vacation year! Laughing Laughing

Thank you for your 'sympathy'. smile

you are right that I am passionate about nature and sentimental. Being in an office for years feels like a hamster on a running wheel!


Don't be too greedy smile smile Just kidding !!!!!
Actually I thought you guys should have more vacations day than us. I really envy people who work on campus sometimes. 崇拜
You make me think about the famous novel by Qian Zhongshu "WEI CHENG" I hope I didn't wrong name the author. Have a good day 祝你好运


heihei oops

i do take a month vacation each year but not this year yet.

yes, it is Qian Zhongshu.
wildcrane at 8/10/2009 16:03 快速引用
我中国同事,早晨9:30到办公室,11:30去吃午饭,2点中吃饭聊天散步回来。再跟我继续聊天到2:30。然后4:30到5点半之间离开。

但因为她每天如一日(除了周五在家工作),竟然给老板留有稳健的印象。我呢?相形之下,好像没准没定数,不知道啥时间来上班哪天来上班。但那是因为我为了自由不是拿每天的钱。她可是稳健地拿着全日制工资,上四天班每天干大概4-5个小时最多。

今天她俩点回来不承认,说早回来了。我说:胡说,我找你好几次。她笑着说:你check我啊。我说:我不check你谁check你啊,只有我眼巴巴几次三番找着你聊天阿!
wildcrane at 8/10/2009 18:05 快速引用
That's a lot of hours put into work. 牛

wildcrane :
上四天班每天干大概4-5个小时最多。

xiaoqiang at 8/11/2009 08:43 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
That's a lot of hours put into work. 牛

wildcrane :
上四天班每天干大概4-5个小时最多。



是啊,昨天她害我,给我一本她们北大校友聚会后出的书。还我读到俩点才睡。
原来我觉得我俩差别特大。看完她写的文章捉摸了一下,本质上都挺象。
都有北大精神啊。她是散漫有序,我是散漫无章,总之,都爱自由。 Laughing
wildcrane at 8/11/2009 17:04 快速引用
我小时候最讨厌北大的人了,那时接触过的几个北大毕业生都是眼睛长在天上,整天牛B哄哄的,生怕没有人知道他们是北大毕业的,其实人傻得不得了。然后历史课里总是学到以前北大学生有事没事就上街游行啥的,女生还都穿那种特别收腰的兰布上衣加胖裙子,梳个妇女主任头啥的。相比之下对清华印象稍微好点,毕竟理工科,感觉还务实一点。我们中学里那时候都没有人要考北大清华,我们班唯一一个保送北大的是因为ta爸妈都是北大教授,唯一一个考去清华的也只不过是我们班成绩算中等偏下的。不过话说回来现在在这边接触的北大人给我感觉好多了。

我今天吃错药了哈,说这个找抽 狂笑 狂笑 狂笑
开会 at 8/11/2009 18:27 快速引用
开会 :
我小时候最讨厌北大的人了,那时接触过的几个北大毕业生都是眼睛长在天上,整天牛B哄哄的,生怕没有人知道他们是北大毕业的,其实人傻得不得了。然后历史课里总是学到以前北大学生有事没事就上街游行啥的,女生还都穿那种特别收腰的兰布上衣加胖裙子,梳个妇女主任头啥的。相比之下对清华印象稍微好点,毕竟理工科,感觉还务实一点。我们中学里那时候都没有人要考北大清华,我们班唯一一个保送北大的是因为ta爸妈都是北大教授,唯一一个考去清华的也只不过是我们班成绩算中等偏下的。不过话说回来现在在这边接触的北大人给我感觉好多了。

我今天吃错药了哈,说这个找抽 狂笑 狂笑 狂笑


同意

我今天还跟我同事说, 可能北大人的共同点就在于曾经傻过. 我同事说: 嗯,可能现在也比别人啥. 我说: 有些人从来没啥过, 就不会来北大.

看来被我总结对了.

我跟我同事说了: 你不是说过傻其实就是可爱么?
她说, 是啊, 傻B比精B可爱多了.
我说: 可能只有北大人这么认为. 没傻过的人哪知其中乐趣呢?
wildcrane at 8/11/2009 19:39 快速引用
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