温家宝真是想“瘟(国)家”了。 2/27/2010 09:50
温家宝说,我们能够做到,最根本的是两条,第一条就是公开透明,就要让任何一项行政性支出都进入预算,而且公开让群众知道,接受群众监督;第二条就是民主监督。“我曾经引过在建国前毛泽东主席和黄元培先生说过的一段话解决‘其兴也勃,其亡也乎’的周期律问题,最重要的是民主,只有民主才不会出现人亡政息”。温家宝认为,公款吃喝、公车私用,公费出国,其实也关系到整个反腐败。
中国的问题,首先是体制性问题,是传承了2000多年的封建体制问题,所以首要的和根本的问题不是什么公开透明和民主监督的问题。不解决根本问题,所谓的“公开透明”和“民主监督”会愈加添乱,一如老蒋统治大陆时。老蒋的“共和国”(Republic)之所以垮台,主要是“民主”惹的祸。看看当年毛泽东是怎样赞美美国民主的。现在的中国比老蒋时越来越不遑多让,但只要不让“民主”风行,枪杆子就能保住政权。
温家宝明知党已病重,却不思自治、自救,反而一门心思(1)对外公布“病情”;(2)发动民间“庸医群起”,为党把脉、治病、看护。
治大国若烹小鲜。俺有连环3招,解决中国社会的弊病,易如反掌。
到点得上班做菜,明儿再侃。各位看官先猜猜是哪三招。
对于祖国的病情相信很多人都很清楚。。。药方也都明白。。。既得利益者多了点。。。
smilhaNew at 2/28/2010 07:52 快速引用
smilhaNew :
对于祖国的病情相信很多人都很清楚。。。药方也都明白。。。既得利益者多了点。。。


这回你说的不错。而我也早就在说了,老毛的英明之处,就在于,既得利益阶层还没出现呢,老毛就已经对他们实行批判了,用运动的方法,想让他们认识到自己的思潮会造成的错误,希望他们经过了下基层去改造,能够了解到人民的疾苦。

这个方法,我现在的判断,是实现了治标,没有实现治本。精英很顽固,隐藏了自己的真实想法,当时表现出来为人民利益着想了,现在却在那里翻案了。所以我只能称赞老毛意识到精英需要管的聪明,却不能肯定运动这种方法对精英的有效性。

而且,运动,是老毛设计的人民民主专政的方法。经过运动,人民的主人翁态度得到了空前的高涨。从这点来说,运动,让人民意识到了自己确实是国家的主人,有着监管领导的权利。这点上的设计,老毛是很成功的。这方面 的成功,和老毛的聪明,还体现在,这种人民民主专政,搞过头的话,就可能会变成反政府的动乱,而老毛能够控制好这种分寸,让人民意识到是与政府,与国家一条心的,反的只是犯路线错误的领导。

所以老朱的担心,也并不是没有道理的。就是失去控制的人民监管,会发展成反政府动乱。不过,我可不赞成老朱话语中所体现出来的极左倾向,体现出来的专制倾向。

但是老朱提出来的问题,大家确实应该多多思考,看能不能出个良策,又让人民能实行监管,又能控制好分寸。也就是说,能否比老毛还要聪明。
WoJian at 2/28/2010 08:28 快速引用
WoJian :
...经过运动,人民的主人翁态度得到了空前的高涨。从这点来说,运动,让人民意识到了自己确实是国家的主人,...


你认为老毛设计的运动,有没有砸烂立法司法和行政这一条的?
rogerlee at 2/28/2010 11:54 快速引用
"大家确实应该多多思考,看能不能出个良策,又让人民能实行监管,又能控制好分寸。也就是说,能否比老毛还要聪明。"[/quote]

support This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.
Absaz at 2/28/2010 12:10 快速引用
Absaz :
"大家确实应该多多思考,看能不能出个良策,又让人民能实行监管,又能控制好分寸。也就是说,能否比老毛还要聪明。"


support This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.[/quote]

What if learning from him will deny his position?
rogerlee at 2/28/2010 12:15 快速引用
rogerlee :
Absaz :
"大家确实应该多多思考,看能不能出个良策,又让人民能实行监管,又能控制好分寸。也就是说,能否比老毛还要聪明。"


support This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.


What if learning from him will deny his position?[/quote]

A person's historical position can not be denied unless you rewrite the history or only thinking from your "little circle" and refuse to look at it from a nation or whole people's perspective. I believe we've had a lot of this discussion in a previous Lao Zhu's post.
Absaz at 2/28/2010 13:05 快速引用
Absaz :
rogerlee :
Absaz :
"大家确实应该多多思考,看能不能出个良策,又让人民能实行监管,又能控制好分寸。也就是说,能否比老毛还要聪明。"


support This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.


What if learning from him will deny his position?


A person's historical position can not be denied unless you rewrite the history or only thinking from your "little circle" and refuse to look at it from a nation or whole people's perspective. I believe we've had a lot of this discussion in a previous Lao Zhu's post.[/quote]

You are conflict. If a person's historical position can not be denied, rewriting of history cannot deny it either. wink
rogerlee at 2/28/2010 22:14 快速引用
rogerlee :
Absaz :
rogerlee :
Absaz :
"大家确实应该多多思考,看能不能出个良策,又让人民能实行监管,又能控制好分寸。也就是说,能否比老毛还要聪明。"


support This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.


What if learning from him will deny his position?


A person's historical position can not be denied unless you rewrite the history or only thinking from your "little circle" and refuse to look at it from a nation or whole people's perspective. I believe we've had a lot of this discussion in a previous Lao Zhu's post.


You are conflict. If a person's historical position can not be denied, rewriting of history cannot deny it either. wink[/quote] 天啊 我怎麽碰上了一个刁良民。
Absaz at 3/01/2010 00:15 快速引用
Absaz :
rogerlee :
Absaz :
rogerlee :
Absaz :
"大家确实应该多多思考,看能不能出个良策,又让人民能实行监管,又能控制好分寸。也就是说,能否比老毛还要聪明。"


support This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.


What if learning from him will deny his position?


A person's historical position can not be denied unless you rewrite the history or only thinking from your "little circle" and refuse to look at it from a nation or whole people's perspective. I believe we've had a lot of this discussion in a previous Lao Zhu's post.


You are conflict. If a person's historical position can not be denied, rewriting of history cannot deny it either. wink
天啊 我怎麽碰上了一个刁良民。[/quote]

又矛盾了。 Laughing
rogerlee at 3/01/2010 00:40 快速引用
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