the third and final presidential debate 2012 10/23/2012 05:53
Obama casts Romney as unseasoned on foreign affairs

President Barack Obama and Republican candidate Mitt Romney discuss foreign policy in the third and final presidential debate.

By Michael O'Brien, NBC News

UPDATED 11:30 p.m. ET -- President Barack Obama repeatedly ridiculed GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s foreign policy views as dated and haphazard in his third and final debate with his Republican challenger, who in turn accused the president of diminishing American leadership during his first term.

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Obama took advantage of incumbency to remind voters throughout the 90-minute debate of his experience as commander-in-chief, and Romney’s lack thereof. The former Massachusetts governor, meanwhile, sought to project a deep familiarity with vexing global issues.

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The debate, held just 15 days before the election in the battleground state of Florida, veered at times from its stated emphasis on foreign policy and into issues of the economy and the budget – topics on which Romney holds an advantage over the president in most polls.

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President Barack Obama (R) listens as Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney (L) speaks during the final U.S. presidential debate in Boca Raton, Florida October 22, 2012.
But Obama sought to do to Romney with foreign policy – disqualify him in the eyes of voters – what his re-election campaign had tried to do on Romney’s economic proposals. The president openly mocked Romney’s suggestion, for instance, that Russia is the top geopolitical foe of the United States.

"You seem to want to import the foreign policy of the 1980s, just like the social policies of the 1950s and the economic policies of the 1920s," he said.

Andrea Mitchell and NBC's Truth Squad examine claims made by each candidate at the third and final debate of the 2012 presidential election in Boca, Raton, Fla.
Obama also derided Romney’s vow to grow the size of the Navy as indicative of the GOP nominee’s dated views toward national security.

"Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military's changed," Obama said. "We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines. And so the question is not a game of Battleship."

The president says credibility is what’s important in dealing with world affairs.
Romney used his time at the debate to more broadly accuse Obama of presiding over a period of diminishing American leadership abroad.

“In nowhere in the world is America's influence greater than it was four years ago,” he said.

The former Massachusetts governor also voiced directly to the president an accusation – that Obama had apologized for American values – he has made throughout the campaign.

The president says a strong economy at home will strengthen the U.S. overseas during the third and final presidential debate of 2012.
“You said that on occasion America had dictated to other nations,” Romney said. “Mr. President, America has not dictated to other nations. We have freed other nations from dictators.”

That attack prompted Obama to respond with a blistering characterization of Romney’s own trip to the United Kingdom, Israel and Poland this past summer.

“When I was a candidate for office, the first trip I took was to visit our troops. And when I went to Israel as a candidate, I didn't take donors. I didn't attend fundraisers,” Obama said in reference to a fundraiser Romney held while in Jerusalem this summer. “I went to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust museum there, to remind myself the nature of evil and why our bond with Israel will be unbreakable.”

Obama’s tough rhetoric, though, betrayed his campaign’s outward confidence amid a series of national and battleground state polls suggesting the election had tightened to a dead heat over the past month, since Romney’s strong performance in their first debate on Oct. 3. Republicans argued that the president’s posture was that of a candidate who has fallen behind Romney over the past few weeks.

Romney used a number of opportunities to steer the debate back toward domestic issues, on which the former Massachusetts governor has mostly staked his campaign. Romney got an opportunity to recount his five-point economic plan, and his direct-to-camera closing statement emphasized the economy as much as foreign policy.

The Republican nominee also largely declined to make as sharp of a case about Obama’s handling of the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, which resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens. Romney has used the administration’s response to that incident to make up ground versus Obama, but scarcely dwelled on Libya – the opening topic of Monday evening’s debate.

The Republican presidential nominee says America must take a leading role in promoting U.S. values during the third presidential debate of 2012.
Romney also tried to dissociate himself with Republican hawkishness, refusing to engage a hypothetical question about Iran’s nuclear program, ruling out a military strike against Libya and stating the U.S. “can't kill our way out of this mess” as it relates to al Qaeda.

The debate’s tangents offered Obama other opportunities to go after Romney. The upcoming “sequester” – the automatic spending cuts, particularly to the defense budget, set to take effect at the beginning next year – prompted the two candidates to renew their squabbling over Romney’s tax plan.

And Obama – whose decision to extend federal aid to Detroit’s troubled automakers in 2009 has become a pillar of his pitch to voters in Midwestern battleground states – eagerly pounced on a tangent involving the auto industry to criticize Romney.

The Republican nominee also largely shrugged off Obama’s attacks as obfuscatory.

"Attacking me is not an agenda," Romney said early at the debate, at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Fla.

Whether Monday’s debate would provoke a thinning sliver of undecided voters to make a decision was another question, to which the answer wasn’t immediately clear following the debate.

Both Obama and Romney had arranged major rallies with their running mates on Tuesday so as to project momentum in the closing two weeks of the campaign. Both campaigns left Boca Raton with a self-professed sense of confidence, validation or dismissal of which will come on Nov. 6.

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刚看完最后一次罗姆尼对奥巴马的总统竞选对辩。这次是围绕外交政策,这当然是在白宫呆了四年的主儿的拿手戏。奥巴马表现不俗,不但对世界局势了如指掌,而且对自己的拿手戏中东波一波接一波以及擒拿宾拉登的战绩一摆再摆。罗姆尼出人意料的是,他不但完全支持奥巴马这些年来的外交战略,而且比他更左一些,更加像个和平鸽,表示要从根本上消除恐怖主义温床,必须帮助中东以及其他发展中国家发展经济,提升教育,扫除文盲, 必须召集伊斯兰世界广泛合作。这几乎是个从来没有见到过的共和党,更别说”鹰派“乐。


可是,在如何”正确处理中美人民内部矛盾“问题上,最古怪的现象,是罗姆尼和奥巴马互相攻击对方把美国人的工作机会送给中国。 也就是说,互相指着对方鼻子骂“汉奸”, 对方是中国人(汉人)的奸细。




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美国大选终极辩论战 奥巴马完胜 罗姆尼一败涂地

  美国2012大选总统辩论第三场辩论于10月22日在佛罗里达州博卡拉顿市林恩大学(Lynn University)结束。美国总统奥巴马(Barack Obama)与共和党候选人罗姆尼(Mitt Romney)围绕美国的全球角色、阿富汗战争及巴基斯坦、与以色列关系及对伊朗的“红线”、变迁的中东与恐怖主义新面孔,以及中国的崛起与明日世界等五大外交热点议题展开激辩。










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美国总统大选辩论的娱乐价值 2012-10-24 09:17:08



首先,这是一个很好的机会来观察候选人的个人品质,比如他是否能够坦然对待别人对他的批评,他是否有能力与不同观点的人对话,他是否能以文明的方式坚持自己认为正确的观点,反驳对方错在哪里。美国政治是以说服人来战胜对方的,具有良好的互通能力,能够既善良又坚定(nice yet tough)地表达自己,传达信息,是作一个称职政治家的必备条件,否则他又如何能够领导好团队,管理好国家?我这里说的善良,是指要给人以做事讲话是出于为国家好为人民好的心愿,但做国家领导人不能只是善良,还要有能够坚定地为自己的信念和政策做推销说服的能力。如果领导人自己信心都不够坚定,又怎能激励下属努力奋斗呢。




与奥巴马相对照,罗姆尼在第一场辩论中则信心百倍,热情十足,发挥出色得超出一般人想象,让人清楚地看到他真的很想要总统这个工作。他那一双真诚的小眼总是那么善良地看着奥巴马,让我觉得罗姆尼真是个好心的大叔。对奥巴马的失常,过后有很多人做了各种猜测,最好笑的一个解释是,丹佛海拔高,也许奥巴马得了高原反应。还有人说也许奥巴马是故意,他兜里说不定揣着一个天才计划。美国著名的政治讽刺秀《Saturday Night Live》则搞笑奥巴马,演员主持人唤醒一直低头看纸片的演员奥巴马,问说,奥巴马总统,罗姆尼刚才说是他杀了本拉登,你到底还在意不在意?

接下去的三场辩论,我想观众们不再失望,好戏一场接一场。第二场,副总统Joe Biden倚老卖老,笑战年轻的Paul Ryan;第三场,“醒”过来的奥巴马反击起来,比我记得的还要前所未有的坚定,前所未有的斗志昂扬,又没有过分到让人怀疑是否好意,看得让我觉得爽。最后一场奥巴马和罗姆尼关于外交政策的辩论最搞笑,罗姆尼抱怨美国海军拥有的战舰数量前所未有的少,奥巴马反击说,美国部队拥有战马和刺刀的数量也前所未有的少,以说明军队武器现代化,不能用老方法来估量军队的战斗力,反击得有趣,又有力。罗姆尼在这场辩论中,有如此多观点与奥巴马一致,有位倾向奥巴马的电视评论员过后说,再这样接着辩论下去,罗姆尼很快就会endorse奥巴马了,把我笑翻。


第一是经济政策。共和党的经济政策只有一项,就是不断念叨:减税减税。而那正是小布什的唯一经济政策,导致美国陷入世纪大萧条,我希望美国人没有这么快就忘了痛,又去相信共和党的灵丹妙药了。另外,有一位在美国著名大公司做财务的朋友多年前曾经告诉我,美国企业在海外赢利免税的政策是造成美国工作外移的主要原因。奥巴马政府如今开始堵住这个税收漏洞,向海外赢利征税,是美国政府税收政策迈出的正确一步。如果共和党上台,政府撒手不管,美国资本家肯定会继续源源不断地把美国工作向海外廉价劳动力市场转移,损害美国的长远利益。我们不应该像某些中国民众那样仇富,遵纪守法,用自己的勇气智慧和勤勉挣钱的富人是光荣的。但富人要帮助自己国家的人,一个国家如果没有大量的稳固的中产阶级存在,就会产生无数的社会问题,富人也不能保证自己将来能继续挣到钱,继续过好日子。所以,像苹果公司前总裁Steve Jobs那样,不为美国普通人着想的行为是很短见,不值得提倡的。


第三是军事政策。共和党的观念仍然停留在冷战时期,相信用正规战争来解决国际问题。罗姆尼虽然在他最后一场辩论中,语气软下来,承认美国不能靠杀人杀出道路来,但上台后扩军仍然是他的政策之一。奥巴马任总统期间,用Navy Seal谋杀了本拉登,解救了被海盗扣押的美国船长,后来又用Navy Seal解救了被索马里海盗绑架的美国和丹麦人质。这种用小量精锐专业部队来获得军事胜利,而不是用大量地面进攻来解决问题的方法,才是更聪明更省钱更现代化的军事策略。


最后贴一个好玩的youtube录像,搞笑今年的副总统辩论,很娱乐的。Joe Biden辩论时说的一句话很好地总结了共和党的问题,那就是:Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad(共和党的主意太过时,共和党的主意也太糟糕)。希望来访的各位美国同胞用好自己的一票,为美国的未来尽自己的一份责任。
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