选举结果的一点儿讨论 11/07/2012 17:11
对选民的统计结果已经出来了,

支持 O 的主要包括城市居民,女性,30岁以下,西裔,African American,犹太人,在过去4年内经济状况有所改善的,以及 gay and lesbian。

支持 R 的主要包括白人(男的比例比女大),60岁以上,郊区和农村的选民,以及在过去4年内经济状况未得到改善的人。


令人不解的是,为什么很多华裔支持 O?
yesterday there was a group of elderly Chinese at the voting station, talking loudly to each other "obama yes!". They live in the senior housing in my neighborhood. Why would they want to vote for Romney?
开会 at 11/07/2012 17:21 快速引用
80-20 called chinese american to vote for obama because President Obama began to include APA in the enforcement of Exec. Order 11246 so that Asian Americans can finally have an equal opportunity to rise in workplaces according to their skill and merit.

http://80-20initiative.blogspot.com/2012/08/80-20-convention-endorses-obama.html
genie at 11/07/2012 17:36 快速引用
很有意思。我没接到这个 call。但这一点 O 做的比 R 好。

genie :
80-20 called chinese american to vote for obama because President Obama began to include APA in the enforcement of Exec. Order 11246 so that Asian Americans can finally have an equal opportunity to rise in workplaces according to their skill and merit.

http://80-20initiative.blogspot.com/2012/08/80-20-convention-endorses-obama.html
xiaoqiang at 11/07/2012 18:05 快速引用
华裔中这一部分人应该不算多数。

我对老中的 stereotype 是老实的劳动者,有 saving,pay income tax,重视教育,socially conservative (最起码 openly gay and lesbian 没有多少。很多老中还长去 church,对 pro life 的说法,抛去那些极端右翼的傻货的言辞,应该也不会反感。)。

而 O 的政策中,inflation 对 saving 不利,affirmative act 对子女入学不利,income tax 算是不好不坏,那些很 liberal 的观点,average 老中不会 endorse。O 的对吃政府救济的47%的收买政策,老中应该也不会喜欢。

所以到底老中喜欢 O 什么呢?仍然是个谜。

开会 :
yesterday there was a group of elderly Chinese at the voting station, talking loudly to each other "obama yes!". They live in the senior housing in my neighborhood. Why would they want to vote for Romney?
xiaoqiang at 11/07/2012 18:16 快速引用
俺是老中, 吃不上救济, Voted for Obama as a matter of principal.

共和党的纲领makes me believe that they have lost the ability to see what America is all about, and have taken the same course as Muslim fundamentalists in deciding what's best for our country.

They are as bad as the Muslim fundamentalists when using God to make everything they believe in good.

GOP's platform, I fear, will take us back to bad times both economically and socially.



xiaoqiang :
华裔中这一部分人应该不算多数。

我对老中的 stereotype 是老实的劳动者,有 saving,pay income tax,重视教育,socially conservative (最起码 openly gay and lesbian 没有多少。很多老中还长去 church,对 pro life 的说法,抛去那些极端右翼的傻货的言辞,应该也不会反感。)。

而 O 的政策中,inflation 对 saving 不利,affirmative act 对子女入学不利,income tax 算是不好不坏,那些很 liberal 的观点,average 老中不会 endorse。O 的对吃政府救济的47%的收买政策,老中应该也不会喜欢。

所以到底老中喜欢 O 什么呢?仍然是个谜。

开会 :
yesterday there was a group of elderly Chinese at the voting station, talking loudly to each other "obama yes!". They live in the senior housing in my neighborhood. Why would they want to vote for Romney?
花溪 at 11/07/2012 19:06 快速引用
xiaoqiang :

令人不解的是,为什么很多华裔支持 O?


这个结论是哪里得到的? 别是就根据生活网这10来个人里的嗓门大的几个得到的吧.

北美华人网的survey结果:
http://www.huaren.us/dispbbs.asp?boardid=331&Id=1314822&page=3

60%投R,
30%投O,
10%都不投.

交税在最近几年越来越多的, 肯定是支持R.
breezy at 11/07/2012 19:30 快速引用
老中多老实啊,有几个能受得了Romney翻来覆去的说法?我了解的不少都至少考虑过Romney,但他翻来覆去的没人能觉得比Obama实际可信。老实人普遍怕上当受骗,Obama至少还做点事,而且(至少态度上)是认真的。另外老中普遍收入还行,抗inflation比较强。

MSN网站poll国内大陆的百姓喜欢Romney:
China is the only country that would prefer Romney as the next President of the United States, giving him 52% of the vote compared with 48% for Obama.

http://arabia.msn.com/news/us-elections-2012/vote-president/561198/us-election-global-poll-only-on-msn/



xiaoqiang :
华裔中这一部分人应该不算多数。

我对老中的 stereotype 是老实的劳动者,有 saving,pay income tax,重视教育,socially conservative (最起码 openly gay and lesbian 没有多少。很多老中还长去 church,对 pro life 的说法,抛去那些极端右翼的傻货的言辞,应该也不会反感。)。

而 O 的政策中,inflation 对 saving 不利,affirmative act 对子女入学不利,income tax 算是不好不坏,那些很 liberal 的观点,average 老中不会 endorse。O 的对吃政府救济的47%的收买政策,老中应该也不会喜欢。

所以到底老中喜欢 O 什么呢?仍然是个谜。

开会 :
yesterday there was a group of elderly Chinese at the voting station, talking loudly to each other "obama yes!". They live in the senior housing in my neighborhood. Why would they want to vote for Romney?
rogerlee at 11/07/2012 19:41 快速引用
huaren上都是些外F,他们说的也能信?

看看真正的统计吧:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president#exit-polls

而且从历史上看,亚裔投民主党从2000开始比例越来越多。

breezy :
xiaoqiang :

令人不解的是,为什么很多华裔支持 O?


这个结论是哪里得到的? 别是就根据生活网这10来个人里的嗓门大的几个得到的吧.

北美华人网的survey结果:
http://www.huaren.us/dispbbs.asp?boardid=331&Id=1314822&page=3

60%投R,
30%投O,
10%都不投.

交税在最近几年越来越多的, 肯定是支持R.
genie at 11/07/2012 20:01 快速引用
非常惊讶大陆有48%投Obama. 高出预料,原以为大陆别说老百姓,受过教育的人也只认高富帅,再加个白字。




rogerlee :
老中多老实啊,有几个能受得了Romney翻来覆去的说法?我了解的不少都至少考虑过Romney,但他翻来覆去的没人能觉得比Obama实际可信。老实人普遍怕上当受骗,Obama至少还做点事,而且(至少态度上)是认真的。另外老中普遍收入还行,抗inflation比较强。

MSN网站poll国内大陆的百姓喜欢Romney:
China is the only country that would prefer Romney as the next President of the United States, giving him 52% of the vote compared with 48% for Obama.

http://arabia.msn.com/news/us-elections-2012/vote-president/561198/us-election-global-poll-only-on-msn/



xiaoqiang :
华裔中这一部分人应该不算多数。

我对老中的 stereotype 是老实的劳动者,有 saving,pay income tax,重视教育,socially conservative (最起码 openly gay and lesbian 没有多少。很多老中还长去 church,对 pro life 的说法,抛去那些极端右翼的傻货的言辞,应该也不会反感。)。

而 O 的政策中,inflation 对 saving 不利,affirmative act 对子女入学不利,income tax 算是不好不坏,那些很 liberal 的观点,average 老中不会 endorse。O 的对吃政府救济的47%的收买政策,老中应该也不会喜欢。

所以到底老中喜欢 O 什么呢?仍然是个谜。

开会 :
yesterday there was a group of elderly Chinese at the voting station, talking loudly to each other "obama yes!". They live in the senior housing in my neighborhood. Why would they want to vote for Romney?
花溪 at 11/07/2012 20:22 快速引用
主席呀,人家都叫你主席,俺也不知是啥主席,跟着瞎叫吧。 俺一直是主席的粉丝,但这回说老中老实这话不敢苟同。 这跟老实有啥关系,何况老中有啥老实的?咱讲点原则好不好?


rogerlee :
老中多老实啊,有几个能受得了Romney翻来覆去的说法?我了解的不少都至少考虑过Romney,但他翻来覆去的没人能觉得比Obama实际可信。老实人普遍怕上当受骗,Obama至少还做点事,而且(至少态度上)是认真的。另外老中普遍收入还行,抗inflation比较强。

MSN网站poll国内大陆的百姓喜欢Romney:
China is the only country that would prefer Romney as the next President of the United States, giving him 52% of the vote compared with 48% for Obama.

http://arabia.msn.com/news/us-elections-2012/vote-president/561198/us-election-global-poll-only-on-msn/



xiaoqiang :
华裔中这一部分人应该不算多数。

我对老中的 stereotype 是老实的劳动者,有 saving,pay income tax,重视教育,socially conservative (最起码 openly gay and lesbian 没有多少。很多老中还长去 church,对 pro life 的说法,抛去那些极端右翼的傻货的言辞,应该也不会反感。)。

而 O 的政策中,inflation 对 saving 不利,affirmative act 对子女入学不利,income tax 算是不好不坏,那些很 liberal 的观点,average 老中不会 endorse。O 的对吃政府救济的47%的收买政策,老中应该也不会喜欢。

所以到底老中喜欢 O 什么呢?仍然是个谜。

开会 :
yesterday there was a group of elderly Chinese at the voting station, talking loudly to each other "obama yes!". They live in the senior housing in my neighborhood. Why would they want to vote for Romney?
花溪 at 11/07/2012 21:15 快速引用
genie :
huaren上都是些外F,他们说的也能信?

看看真正的统计吧:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president#exit-polls

而且从历史上看,亚裔投民主党从2000开始比例越来越多。



第一句的根据是什么? 你考古过他们/她们的来历吗? 上面的人学历背景如何, 以前是有survey的. 远远不是你以为的.

cnn是有名的左派. 他们的话也能信? ? 媒体偏左, cnn首当其冲.
breezy at 11/07/2012 22:59 快速引用
我说“老实”是接着xiaoqiang的话说的,意思是比较普通,守本分,不会出尔反尔,花狸狐哨忽悠别人。更没有那种有点笨被人欺负的意思。

叫主席就是以前一起吃饭吃得比较多吧,不过最近朋友回国都没时间吃饭了。 Sad


花溪 :
主席呀,人家都叫你主席,俺也不知是啥主席,跟着瞎叫吧。 俺一直是主席的粉丝,但这回说老中老实这话不敢苟同。 这跟老实有啥关系,何况老中有啥老实的?咱讲点原则好不好?


rogerlee :
老中多老实啊,有几个能受得了Romney翻来覆去的说法?我了解的不少都至少考虑过Romney,但他翻来覆去的没人能觉得比Obama实际可信。老实人普遍怕上当受骗,Obama至少还做点事,而且(至少态度上)是认真的。另外老中普遍收入还行,抗inflation比较强。

MSN网站poll国内大陆的百姓喜欢Romney:
China is the only country that would prefer Romney as the next President of the United States, giving him 52% of the vote compared with 48% for Obama.

http://arabia.msn.com/news/us-elections-2012/vote-president/561198/us-election-global-poll-only-on-msn/



xiaoqiang :
华裔中这一部分人应该不算多数。

我对老中的 stereotype 是老实的劳动者,有 saving,pay income tax,重视教育,socially conservative (最起码 openly gay and lesbian 没有多少。很多老中还长去 church,对 pro life 的说法,抛去那些极端右翼的傻货的言辞,应该也不会反感。)。

而 O 的政策中,inflation 对 saving 不利,affirmative act 对子女入学不利,income tax 算是不好不坏,那些很 liberal 的观点,average 老中不会 endorse。O 的对吃政府救济的47%的收买政策,老中应该也不会喜欢。

所以到底老中喜欢 O 什么呢?仍然是个谜。

开会 :
yesterday there was a group of elderly Chinese at the voting station, talking loudly to each other "obama yes!". They live in the senior housing in my neighborhood. Why would they want to vote for Romney?
rogerlee at 11/07/2012 23:03 快速引用
花溪 :
主席呀,人家都叫你主席,俺也不知是啥主席,跟着瞎叫吧。 俺一直是主席的粉丝,但这回说老中老实这话不敢苟同。 这跟老实有啥关系,何况老中有啥老实的?咱讲点原则好不好?




中国来美国的人, 很多是留学过来的书呆, 相比于习惯烧杀抢的本地美国人, 相比于靠救济养10个孩子的某国人, 相比于滔滔不绝靠卖嘴玩政治搞利益的美国人, 中国人还是老实人.

要是把中国本土的小偷, 人口贩子, 骗子, 贪官都直接搬美国来, 那当然就没啥老实的.
breezy at 11/07/2012 23:09 快速引用
breezy :
genie :
huaren上都是些外F,他们说的也能信?

看看真正的统计吧:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president#exit-polls

而且从历史上看,亚裔投民主党从2000开始比例越来越多。



第一句的根据是什么? 你考古过他们/她们的来历吗? 上面的人学历背景如何, 以前是有survey的. 远远不是你以为的.

cnn是有名的左派. 他们的话也能信? ? 媒体偏左, cnn首当其冲.


华人上经常有些外F讨论和老外怎么做爱之类的言论,物以累聚,的确那里外F比较多。

至于cnn是有名的左派,那是他们的观点,不等于他们说的不是事实。族裔投票比例是客观事实,他们应该不会造假。当然,我不能一票一票给你证明cnn没有造假,你也不能一票一票地证明cnn造假。
genie at 11/08/2012 08:51 快速引用
breezy :
花溪 :
主席呀,人家都叫你主席,俺也不知是啥主席,跟着瞎叫吧。 俺一直是主席的粉丝,但这回说老中老实这话不敢苟同。 这跟老实有啥关系,何况老中有啥老实的?咱讲点原则好不好?




中国来美国的人, 很多是留学过来的书呆, 相比于习惯烧杀抢的本地美国人, 相比于靠救济养10个孩子的某国人, 相比于滔滔不绝靠卖嘴玩政治搞利益的美国人, 中国人还是老实人.

要是把中国本土的小偷, 人口贩子, 骗子, 贪官都直接搬美国来, 那当然就没啥老实的.


搞错了吧,其实书呆是小部分。在美国的中国人的成分说起来比在中国任何一个城市的中国人的成分还复杂。中国人的老实主要表现在不会说,忍受。 这不光是语言的问题,就放在中文背景下会说的也不多。会说的也最多是个油嘴滑舌。其他方面的老实和全世界的人差不多吧。
Quincy08 at 11/08/2012 08:55 快速引用
我这个低中产就投08,R的政策对我没油利。我不相信减税能刺激经济。

更何况我支持‘贫富不能太大’的社会稳定系统。我到是想不通那么多中国人投R。 着急着为富人减税。。。

另外,47%中的大多数人是工作的, 付SS 和medicare 岁。只是收入低于交税标准。我也受过高等教育,也努力工作,但收入不多, 不是每个人能赚大钱的。
Mayrain at 11/08/2012 09:15 快速引用
赞一个!难道我们在这个国家住了这么久还不知道什么样的人最有钱?大公司的CEO,关键地位的人都是什么人?R的高富帅白,有些中国人会死心爱他,咱也无可非议,萝卜白菜。但守着那么落后的纲领,连多数白女人的利益都不顾,会点critical thinking的人很快就看出他代表谁的最本质的利益,。可惜这些人的人数有限,为了当选,只能翻来覆去。中国人老不老实不好说,应该都不傻,给人做嫁衣是真。


Mayrain :
我这个低中产就投08,R的政策对我没油利。我不相信减税能刺激经济。

更何况我支持‘贫富不能太大’的社会稳定系统。我到是想不通那么多中国人投R。 着急着为富人减税。。。

另外,47%中的大多数人是工作的, 付SS 和medicare 岁。只是收入低于交税标准。我也受过高等教育,也努力工作,但收入不多, 不是每个人能赚大钱的。
花溪 at 11/08/2012 09:36 快速引用
genie :
breezy :
genie :
huaren上都是些外F,他们说的也能信?

看看真正的统计吧:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president#exit-polls

而且从历史上看,亚裔投民主党从2000开始比例越来越多。



第一句的根据是什么? 你考古过他们/她们的来历吗? 上面的人学历背景如何, 以前是有survey的. 远远不是你以为的.

cnn是有名的左派. 他们的话也能信? ? 媒体偏左, cnn首当其冲.


华人上经常有些外F讨论和老外怎么做爱之类的言论,物以累聚,的确那里外F比较多。

至于cnn是有名的左派,那是他们的观点,不等于他们说的不是事实。族裔投票比例是客观事实,他们应该不会造假。当然,我不能一票一票给你证明cnn没有造假,你也不能一票一票地证明cnn造假。


Surprised 华人有十几二十个论坛, 你说的我却没看见. 大概你进的是特殊场地. 总不能你只去裸体海滩, 就说法国全都是光身子的.

我觉得虽然cnn他们的survey不会故意做假, 但去cnn网上的人本身就已经是"部分人群"了. 看cnn的时候应该同时看fox, abc, 均衡着看.
breezy at 11/08/2012 10:36 快速引用
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。
xiaoqiang at 11/08/2012 10:50 快速引用
Quincy08 :
搞错了吧,其实书呆是小部分。在美国的中国人的成分说起来比在中国任何一个城市的中国人的成分还复杂。中国人的老实主要表现在不会说,忍受。 这不光是语言的问题,就放在中文背景下会说的也不多。会说的也最多是个油嘴滑舌。其他方面的老实和全世界的人差不多吧。


书呆也许不是小部分, 但中国人里敢象某区里杀人抢劫贩毒的, 还是少. 敢生10个孩子靠政府救济来养的也少. 口若悬河走政治求利益的也少, inside trading搞花样的也少. 在美国的中国人多数还是老老实实上班(无论是1万的工作还是20万的工作), 勤勤恳恳攒钱. ob使劲印钞票通货膨胀, 老中还自圆其说说中国人抗通货膨胀的能力高, 这就是老实啊.
breezy at 11/08/2012 10:53 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。


哪个情况? 你是说幻想会改观, 还是贫富不公会改观? confused
breezy at 11/08/2012 10:59 快速引用
breezy :
genie :
breezy :
genie :
huaren上都是些外F,他们说的也能信?

看看真正的统计吧:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president#exit-polls

而且从历史上看,亚裔投民主党从2000开始比例越来越多。



第一句的根据是什么? 你考古过他们/她们的来历吗? 上面的人学历背景如何, 以前是有survey的. 远远不是你以为的.

cnn是有名的左派. 他们的话也能信? ? 媒体偏左, cnn首当其冲.


华人上经常有些外F讨论和老外怎么做爱之类的言论,物以累聚,的确那里外F比较多。

至于cnn是有名的左派,那是他们的观点,不等于他们说的不是事实。族裔投票比例是客观事实,他们应该不会造假。当然,我不能一票一票给你证明cnn没有造假,你也不能一票一票地证明cnn造假。


Surprised 华人有十几二十个论坛, 你说的我却没看见. 大概你进的是特殊场地. 总不能你只去裸体海滩, 就说法国全都是光身子的.

我觉得虽然cnn他们的survey不会故意做假, 但去cnn网上的人本身就已经是"部分人群"了. 看cnn的时候应该同时看fox, abc, 均衡着看.


华人和cnn的差别在于,华人是网上id自己survey的,cnn是所有选票统计结果。

至于cnn左,fox右,那是观点,但族裔政党投票比例是统计数字,是事实。
genie at 11/08/2012 12:08 快速引用
There will be a point where the majority of people realize they can not expect other people to solve their own problem.

breezy :
xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。


哪个情况? 你是说幻想会改观, 还是贫富不公会改观? confused
xiaoqiang at 11/08/2012 12:14 快速引用
你说的没错,只是“死心塌地支持 O 的”,也没有几个。前面genie那篇文章也说了,中产属于被争取的对象,而华人中产靠welfare的是少数,所以华人中产投Obama的,绝不是对资本主义制度不信任,希望好的welfare。多数恐怕还是不能信任Romney。


xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。
rogerlee at 11/08/2012 12:22 快速引用
你以为老白男人真的帮你解决问题? 拜托. 这个国家是我看到的成人(老弱病残除外)最勤劳,最忙的国家. 儿童最勤劳的在中国.



xiaoqiang :
There will be a point where the majority of people realize they can not expect other people to solve their own problem.

breezy :
xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。


哪个情况? 你是说幻想会改观, 还是贫富不公会改观? confused
花溪 at 11/08/2012 12:25 快速引用
到底不信任 R 什么?

R 是个人,真没错吧。他和 O 一样是个政客,这也没错吧?除此之外,到底在哪件具体的事情上有什么证据表明 R 比 O 不值得信任?

rogerlee :
你说的没错,只是“死心塌地支持 O 的”,也没有几个。前面genie那篇文章也说了,中产属于被争取的对象,而华人中产靠welfare的是少数,所以华人中产投Obama的,绝不是对资本主义制度不信任,希望好的welfare。多数恐怕还是不能信任Romney。


xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。
xiaoqiang at 11/08/2012 12:30 快速引用
一起吃饭被拥戴成主席, 自然领袖啊. 幸会了!


rogerlee :
我说“老实”是接着xiaoqiang的话说的,意思是比较普通,守本分,不会出尔反尔,花狸狐哨忽悠别人。更没有那种有点笨被人欺负的意思。

叫主席就是以前一起吃饭吃得比较多吧,不过最近朋友回国都没时间吃饭了。 Sad


花溪 :
主席呀,人家都叫你主席,俺也不知是啥主席,跟着瞎叫吧。 俺一直是主席的粉丝,但这回说老中老实这话不敢苟同。 这跟老实有啥关系,何况老中有啥老实的?咱讲点原则好不好?


rogerlee :
老中多老实啊,有几个能受得了Romney翻来覆去的说法?我了解的不少都至少考虑过Romney,但他翻来覆去的没人能觉得比Obama实际可信。老实人普遍怕上当受骗,Obama至少还做点事,而且(至少态度上)是认真的。另外老中普遍收入还行,抗inflation比较强。

MSN网站poll国内大陆的百姓喜欢Romney:
China is the only country that would prefer Romney as the next President of the United States, giving him 52% of the vote compared with 48% for Obama.

http://arabia.msn.com/news/us-elections-2012/vote-president/561198/us-election-global-poll-only-on-msn/



xiaoqiang :
华裔中这一部分人应该不算多数。

我对老中的 stereotype 是老实的劳动者,有 saving,pay income tax,重视教育,socially conservative (最起码 openly gay and lesbian 没有多少。很多老中还长去 church,对 pro life 的说法,抛去那些极端右翼的傻货的言辞,应该也不会反感。)。

而 O 的政策中,inflation 对 saving 不利,affirmative act 对子女入学不利,income tax 算是不好不坏,那些很 liberal 的观点,average 老中不会 endorse。O 的对吃政府救济的47%的收买政策,老中应该也不会喜欢。

所以到底老中喜欢 O 什么呢?仍然是个谜。

开会 :
yesterday there was a group of elderly Chinese at the voting station, talking loudly to each other "obama yes!". They live in the senior housing in my neighborhood. Why would they want to vote for Romney?
花溪 at 11/08/2012 12:31 快速引用
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。

花溪 :
你以为老白男人真的帮你解决问题? 拜托. 这个国家是我看到的成人(老弱病残除外)最勤劳,最忙的国家. 儿童最勤劳的在中国.



xiaoqiang :
There will be a point where the majority of people realize they can not expect other people to solve their own problem.

breezy :
xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。


哪个情况? 你是说幻想会改观, 还是贫富不公会改观? confused
xiaoqiang at 11/08/2012 12:35 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
到底不信任 R 什么?

R 是个人,真没错吧。他和 O 一样是个政客,这也没错吧?除此之外,到底在哪件具体的事情上有什么证据表明 R 比 O 不值得信任?



R在primary的时候为了争取右端的支持, 说了一些极端右的言论. 但是到general election前, 他为了争取undecided voter的支持, 又把言论改成温和的中间派. 所以, 不少老实的中国人觉得他不可信. O占了个便宜就是这次不需要primary了, 他这次没有明显改变口吻. 如果去看历届候选人的竞选过程, 都有R的这种改变立场. 政客说谎, R和O都会做, 但R因为需要经历primary而比较明显.

同学们还是讨论一下如何make the best of the situation吧.
breezy at 11/08/2012 13:11 快速引用
我好像过去说过,R的case是,他是成功商人,现在经济不好,他可以turn around.但他47%评论一出来,还说"my job is not to worry about them"

大家就知道好的CEO是可以裁员,把公司turn around,但是作为国家,你不能fire 47%的公民啊。

过去的切尼就是个例子。当时很多人觉得bush老实不聪明,但切尼很能干,所以这个组合不错。但没想到的是,他们上台以后发动战争。开始老百姓也想跟着分点好处,结果呢,战争得好处都给他们自己的buddy了。

xiaoqiang :
到底不信任 R 什么?

R 是个人,真没错吧。他和 O 一样是个政客,这也没错吧?除此之外,到底在哪件具体的事情上有什么证据表明 R 比 O 不值得信任?

rogerlee :
你说的没错,只是“死心塌地支持 O 的”,也没有几个。前面genie那篇文章也说了,中产属于被争取的对象,而华人中产靠welfare的是少数,所以华人中产投Obama的,绝不是对资本主义制度不信任,希望好的welfare。多数恐怕还是不能信任Romney。


xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。
genie at 11/08/2012 13:26 快速引用
pat pat,安慰一下,小强,知道你rooted for R. 可惜他老了,再也不会竞选了,你不停地问一个问题。很为你的精神感动。

关注一下Scott Brown吧。俺还跟他和过影,比R还帅,对人亲切,出身贫寒,小时候还受过骚扰。靠当男模的钱上了法学院,希望他有前途。很喜欢他,老婆也好,活泼朴实,吃苦耐劳,不像R的老婆,给人无法接近的印象。但为了原则,俺这次还是忍痛投了老太太的票。

下回吧,Scott, carry on regardless. 小强你也一样,Carry on regardless, till you get what you after.





xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。

花溪 :
你以为老白男人真的帮你解决问题? 拜托. 这个国家是我看到的成人(老弱病残除外)最勤劳,最忙的国家. 儿童最勤劳的在中国.



xiaoqiang :
There will be a point where the majority of people realize they can not expect other people to solve their own problem.

breezy :
xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。


哪个情况? 你是说幻想会改观, 还是贫富不公会改观? confused
花溪 at 11/08/2012 18:46 快速引用
下一届,大家肯定会选一个比 bush 还烂的 republican 极端分子,矫枉过正。布什将第五次连任。


花溪 :
pat pat,安慰一下,小强,知道你rooted for R. 可惜他老了,再也不会竞选了,你不停地问一个问题。很为你的精神感动。

关注一下Scott Brown吧。俺还跟他和过影,比R还帅,对人亲切,出身贫寒,小时候还受过骚扰。靠当男模的钱上了法学院,希望他有前途。很喜欢他,老婆也好,活泼朴实,吃苦耐劳,不像R的老婆,给人无法接近的印象。但为了原则,俺这次还是忍痛投了老太太的票。

下回吧,Scott, carry on regardless. 小强你也一样,Carry on regardless, till you get what you after.





xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。

花溪 :
你以为老白男人真的帮你解决问题? 拜托. 这个国家是我看到的成人(老弱病残除外)最勤劳,最忙的国家. 儿童最勤劳的在中国.



xiaoqiang :
There will be a point where the majority of people realize they can not expect other people to solve their own problem.

breezy :
xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。


哪个情况? 你是说幻想会改观, 还是贫富不公会改观? confused
xiaoqiang at 11/08/2012 19:21 快速引用
这个 topic 大家分歧会更大。我猜想,很多支持 O 的人对目前的经济形式反而不会很乐观。

我觉得,中短期之内,经济形式还是稳定的,市场更会上升。现在47%还没有感受到 inflation 的 pain,所以 Big Ben 可以继续印钞票,有利于投机。

breezy :


同学们还是讨论一下如何make the best of the situation吧.
xiaoqiang at 11/08/2012 19:27 快速引用
别说狠话呀,你又没输一分钱。伤感情了?感情又不值钱。 输钱的是Sheldon Adelson,给R捐了54million. No bid deal for him, it's only a fraction of his wealth.

here's the link for: Election Day's Biggest Loser

http://news.yahoo.com/election-days-biggest-loser-222301630--abc-news-topstories.html



xiaoqiang :
下一届,大家肯定会选一个比 bush 还烂的 republican 极端分子,矫枉过正。布什将第五次连任。


花溪 :
pat pat,安慰一下,小强,知道你rooted for R. 可惜他老了,再也不会竞选了,你不停地问一个问题。很为你的精神感动。

关注一下Scott Brown吧。俺还跟他和过影,比R还帅,对人亲切,出身贫寒,小时候还受过骚扰。靠当男模的钱上了法学院,希望他有前途。很喜欢他,老婆也好,活泼朴实,吃苦耐劳,不像R的老婆,给人无法接近的印象。但为了原则,俺这次还是忍痛投了老太太的票。

下回吧,Scott, carry on regardless. 小强你也一样,Carry on regardless, till you get what you after.





xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。

花溪 :
你以为老白男人真的帮你解决问题? 拜托. 这个国家是我看到的成人(老弱病残除外)最勤劳,最忙的国家. 儿童最勤劳的在中国.



xiaoqiang :
There will be a point where the majority of people realize they can not expect other people to solve their own problem.

breezy :
xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。


哪个情况? 你是说幻想会改观, 还是贫富不公会改观? confused
花溪 at 11/08/2012 20:40 快速引用
能感觉到你很高兴。虽然我不能理解你为什么这么高兴,但高兴总比不高兴好,有希望总比没有希望好。

O 和 R 都有自己的利益集团。54 个 million 对 O 和 R 的后台可以忽略不计,Big Ben 随便印几个 billion,这些竞选经费都可以迎刃而解。

O 当选虽然对国家的长期负面影响比较大,但我也只能以此为鞭策,变悲愤为动力,更加努力工作,多投入时间精力,克服困难,争取成功。



花溪 :
别说狠话呀,你又没输一分钱。伤感情了?感情又不值钱。 输钱的是Sheldon Adelson,给R捐了54million. No bid deal for him, it's only a fraction of his wealth.

here's the link for: Election Day's Biggest Loser

http://news.yahoo.com/election-days-biggest-loser-222301630--abc-news-topstories.html



xiaoqiang :
下一届,大家肯定会选一个比 bush 还烂的 republican 极端分子,矫枉过正。布什将第五次连任。


花溪 :
pat pat,安慰一下,小强,知道你rooted for R. 可惜他老了,再也不会竞选了,你不停地问一个问题。很为你的精神感动。

关注一下Scott Brown吧。俺还跟他和过影,比R还帅,对人亲切,出身贫寒,小时候还受过骚扰。靠当男模的钱上了法学院,希望他有前途。很喜欢他,老婆也好,活泼朴实,吃苦耐劳,不像R的老婆,给人无法接近的印象。但为了原则,俺这次还是忍痛投了老太太的票。

下回吧,Scott, carry on regardless. 小强你也一样,Carry on regardless, till you get what you after.





xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。

花溪 :
你以为老白男人真的帮你解决问题? 拜托. 这个国家是我看到的成人(老弱病残除外)最勤劳,最忙的国家. 儿童最勤劳的在中国.



xiaoqiang :
There will be a point where the majority of people realize they can not expect other people to solve their own problem.

breezy :
xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。


哪个情况? 你是说幻想会改观, 还是贫富不公会改观? confused
xiaoqiang at 11/08/2012 21:50 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。



How can you elect someone who doesn't care 47% of people?
blueZ at 11/09/2012 08:52 快速引用
What R said was that he cannot count on the votes of these 47%, who will vote for O no matter what.

看来关键问题还真的是这句话。

O 说他爱世人。于是人民就相信了。

Perception is reality. 没办法,民主就是这样的。



其实这个选举结果同时表明目前美国的社会状态还不是很差,所以人们更在意的不是 issues,而是 feelings.

blueZ :
xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。



How can you elect someone who doesn't care 47% of people?
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 09:16 快速引用
是呀, 总统干的是公共服务行业, 没心的人就更不能要了. 说俗点, 聪明的女人是不会嫁给对自己没兴趣的人的. 将来拉家过日子再来几个孩子, 老公胳膊肘字往外拐,怎么过啊.


blueZ :
xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。



How can you elect someone who doesn't care 47% of people?
花溪 at 11/09/2012 09:21 快速引用
高兴也不是你认为的原因, 你要是还停留在选奥的人是为了吃福利, 那我劝你最好打住. Don't even go there, the water is too shallow over there.

既然知道高兴好, 也希望你高兴. I like happy people.




xiaoqiang :
能感觉到你很高兴。虽然我不能理解你为什么这么高兴,但高兴总比不高兴好,有希望总比没有希望好。

O 和 R 都有自己的利益集团。54 个 million 对 O 和 R 的后台可以忽略不计,Big Ben 随便印几个 billion,这些竞选经费都可以迎刃而解。

O 当选虽然对国家的长期负面影响比较大,但我也只能以此为鞭策,变悲愤为动力,更加努力工作,多投入时间精力,克服困难,争取成功。



花溪 :
别说狠话呀,你又没输一分钱。伤感情了?感情又不值钱。 输钱的是Sheldon Adelson,给R捐了54million. No bid deal for him, it's only a fraction of his wealth.

here's the link for: Election Day's Biggest Loser

http://news.yahoo.com/election-days-biggest-loser-222301630--abc-news-topstories.html



xiaoqiang :
下一届,大家肯定会选一个比 bush 还烂的 republican 极端分子,矫枉过正。布什将第五次连任。


花溪 :
pat pat,安慰一下,小强,知道你rooted for R. 可惜他老了,再也不会竞选了,你不停地问一个问题。很为你的精神感动。

关注一下Scott Brown吧。俺还跟他和过影,比R还帅,对人亲切,出身贫寒,小时候还受过骚扰。靠当男模的钱上了法学院,希望他有前途。很喜欢他,老婆也好,活泼朴实,吃苦耐劳,不像R的老婆,给人无法接近的印象。但为了原则,俺这次还是忍痛投了老太太的票。

下回吧,Scott, carry on regardless. 小强你也一样,Carry on regardless, till you get what you after.





xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。

花溪 :
你以为老白男人真的帮你解决问题? 拜托. 这个国家是我看到的成人(老弱病残除外)最勤劳,最忙的国家. 儿童最勤劳的在中国.



xiaoqiang :
There will be a point where the majority of people realize they can not expect other people to solve their own problem.

breezy :
xiaoqiang :
我有一个感觉,说的不对,大家也别太生气。

我觉得死心塌地支持 O 的华裔,对资本主义制度不信任,对 welfare state 没有失去幻想。在社会不公平这个事实面前,希望 a strong leader 能够救人民于水火。

这确实需要一个过程。可能再过4年,这个情况会有所改观。


哪个情况? 你是说幻想会改观, 还是贫富不公会改观? confused
花溪 at 11/09/2012 09:30 快速引用
I honestly don't think you voted for O because of the welfare promise he made.

I am just a little upset. But this is how demacrocy works, and there is no better alternative.

Now moving forward, since I think you know something about economy, do you agree my evaluation that the economy is stablizing and probably will improve a little in the next 6 months?

花溪 :
高兴也不是你认为的原因, 你要是还停留在选奥的人是为了吃福利, 那我劝你最好打住. Don't even go there, the water is too shallow over there.

既然知道高兴好, 也希望你高兴. I like happy people.




xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 09:41 快速引用
What he said is 47% won't vote for him no matter what, which is true. Sadly it's politically incorrect to say that.

blueZ :
xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。



How can you elect someone who doesn't care 47% of people?
waylander at 11/09/2012 10:15 快速引用
waylander :
What he said is 47% won't vote for him no matter what, which is true. Sadly it's politically incorrect to say that.

blueZ :
xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。



How can you elect someone who doesn't care 47% of people?


没有这段话,他也没戏。
他的出生,背景,经历早就替他说了。金融投资出身的他,目的性,功利心太强,他来做MA Governor 就是为奔总统而来的,做了半不浪荡的就不做了。这种人做总统不合适。
Quincy08 at 11/09/2012 10:47 快速引用
No he didn't stop there, he went on with more damaging rant about this 47%. What he said has nothing to do with politically correct or incorrent, it has everything to do with his weakness. He is not suited for public service.

This isn't just the real Romney, this is what many of his supporters believe. They live in constant fear and anger of this poor man who goes around taking their hard-earned money but not doing any work. Many of them are deluded enough to think social welfare is what caused the current economic crisis and that has nothing to do with the greed and corruption of the wealthy. and the Wealthy and the powerful are simply saviors of this country.



waylander :
What he said is 47% won't vote for him no matter what, which is true. Sadly it's politically incorrect to say that.

blueZ :
xiaoqiang :
为什么总想其他人能帮你解决问题呢?

都帮不上什么大忙。O整天在眼前晃来晃去的,号称帮这儿帮那儿的,他有这个心,也没这个力啊。



How can you elect someone who doesn't care 47% of people?
花溪 at 11/09/2012 10:53 快速引用
Race breakdown for O vs R:

White - 40% vs. 60%
Black - 90% vs. 10%
Hispanic - 70% vs. 30%
Asian - 70% vs. 30%

Given the growing minority population (now accounted for 28% of the votes), this country is sadly on its way toward more government dependency and European style socialism.
shaojiu at 11/09/2012 10:55 快速引用
I am more optimistic than that.

The middle class is now slow cooked with inflation and next-to-nothing growth. And the situation of the poor, most of them O supporters, will get worse because the gov does not have enought to help them.

This situation won't last for more than 1 year.

In a typical so*(O& state, like China, the bottom class is the most disatified with the gov. It is going to happen here as well.

shaojiu :
Race breakdown for O vs R:

White - 40% vs. 60%
Black - 90% vs. 10%
Hispanic - 70% vs. 30%
Asian - 70% vs. 30%

Given the growing minority population (now accounted for 28% of the votes), this country is sadly on its way toward more government dependency and European style socialism.
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 11:08 快速引用
One thing that is clear is that O supporters are full of emotion but short of substance. This is not sustainable.
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 11:11 快速引用
xiaoqiang :

In a typical so*(O& state, like China, the bottom class is the most disatified with the gov. It is going to happen here as well.


You still think China is a So* state? There is no welfare to the bottom class in China, just like some of Republicans want.
blueZ at 11/09/2012 11:13 快速引用
That is a typical s87o7 state: The leader talks about welfare, while the people get nothing.


blueZ :
xiaoqiang :

In a typical so*(O& state, like China, the bottom class is the most disatified with the gov. It is going to happen here as well.


You still think China is a So*? There is no welfare to the bottom class in China, just like some of Republicans want.
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 11:15 快速引用
可惜不是战争状态,一般人就是这样的,不然广告就没用了。
Quincy08 at 11/09/2012 11:16 快速引用
I hope there is no war or social disturbance. Adoff H is a real possibility if that happens, given the mob mentanlity we have in this country right now.


Quincy08 :
可惜不是战争状态,一般人就是这样的,不然广告就没用了。
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 11:20 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
What R said was that he cannot count on the votes of these 47%, who will vote for O no matter what.



Romney: "There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement ... And they will vote for this president no matter what ... These are people who pay no income tax ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
blueZ at 11/09/2012 11:23 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
I hope there is no war or social disturbance. Adoff H is a real possibility if that happens, given the mob mentanlity we have in this country right now.


Quincy08 :
可惜不是战争状态,一般人就是这样的,不然广告就没用了。


过虑了。
Quincy08 at 11/09/2012 11:25 快速引用
BlueZ, we can have another discussion in 6 months once we all cool down a little bit and the reality becomes clearer. This is getting emotional.

Running is good. Politics suck.


blueZ :
xiaoqiang :
What R said was that he cannot count on the votes of these 47%, who will vote for O no matter what.



Romney: "There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement ... And they will vote for this president no matter what ... These are people who pay no income tax ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 11:29 快速引用
Indeed.

Quincy08 :
xiaoqiang :
I hope there is no war or social disturbance. Adoff H is a real possibility if that happens, given the mob mentanlity we have in this country right now.


Quincy08 :
可惜不是战争状态,一般人就是这样的,不然广告就没用了。


过虑了。
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 11:30 快速引用
xiaoqiang :
BlueZ, we can have another discussion in 6 months once we all cool down a little bit and the reality becomes clearer. This is getting emotional.

Running is good. Politics suck.



hehe, I am very calm. I did not even bother to watch TV on election day because I knew Obama and Warren will win, and I am really happy for them.
blueZ at 11/09/2012 11:31 快速引用
This is easy to explain. White people, especially white males are ahead in this country and they want to hold their position. Mit can help them better.


shaojiu :
Race breakdown for O vs R:

White - 40% vs. 60%
Black - 90% vs. 10%
Hispanic - 70% vs. 30%
Asian - 70% vs. 30%

Given the growing minority population (now accounted for 28% of the votes), this country is sadly on its way toward more government dependency and European style socialism.
花溪 at 11/09/2012 11:36 快速引用
It is racism to think all minority groups are going for "more government dependency". Just like Fox news was saying that we are no long the good old traditional white America anymore.

BTW, Asian votes are 73% vs. 27%, more than Hispanic ratio. 10 years ago, the Asian votes are about 55% vs. 45%. What a change! As always, Jews are also voting for Dem, although you can classify them as white and GOP has been playing Israel card.

This is the problem with GOP. In order to get through the primary, one has to alienate all minority groups, otherwise he/she will be labeled not conservative enough (for some republicans, not white enough).

shaojiu :
Race breakdown for O vs R:

White - 40% vs. 60%
Black - 90% vs. 10%
Hispanic - 70% vs. 30%
Asian - 70% vs. 30%

Given the growing minority population (now accounted for 28% of the votes), this country is sadly on its way toward more government dependency and European style socialism.
redneck at 11/09/2012 11:36 快速引用
You are suffering a little from euphoria, that's not calm. happy

I will stop this discussion because religious debate always make me depressed.

blueZ :
xiaoqiang :
BlueZ, we can have another discussion in 6 months once we all cool down a little bit and the reality becomes clearer. This is getting emotional.

Running is good. Politics suck.



hehe, I am very calm. I did not even bother to watch TV on election day because I knew Obama and Warren will win, and I am really happy for them.
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 11:37 快速引用
我那时候还在想, 是骡子是马, 牵出来溜溜, 现在连溜溜都不可能了, frustrated 讨厌 打你
xy at 11/09/2012 11:59 快速引用
Honestly, next time, Republican must be smart enough to have a candidate not alienating all minority groups to win.


redneck :
It is racism to think all minority groups are going for "more government dependency". Just like Fox news was saying that we are no long the good old traditional white America anymore.

BTW, Asian votes are 73% vs. 27%, more than Hispanic ratio. 10 years ago, the Asian votes are about 55% vs. 45%. What a change! As always, Jews are also voting for Dem, although you can classify them as white and GOP has been playing Israel card.

This is the problem with GOP. In order to get through the primary, one has to alienate all minority groups, otherwise he/she will be labeled not conservative enough (for some republicans, not white enough).

shaojiu :
Race breakdown for O vs R:

White - 40% vs. 60%
Black - 90% vs. 10%
Hispanic - 70% vs. 30%
Asian - 70% vs. 30%

Given the growing minority population (now accounted for 28% of the votes), this country is sadly on its way toward more government dependency and European style socialism.
rogerlee at 11/09/2012 12:48 快速引用
要还出来一个不关心“those people”的人,不关心气候变化的共和党人,能上台?我不太相信。


xiaoqiang :
下一届,大家肯定会选一个比 bush 还烂的 republican 极端分子,矫枉过正。布什将第五次连任。

rogerlee at 11/09/2012 13:00 快速引用
Loaded a little ETFs for gold and silver and prepare for the race to bottom.
In my point of view, most fiat currency will evaporate over time.
It is time to hold onto hard asset to avoid government looting.
Bono at 11/09/2012 13:40 快速引用
shaojiu :
Race breakdown for O vs R:

White - 40% vs. 60%
Black - 90% vs. 10%
Hispanic - 70% vs. 30%
Asian - 70% vs. 30%

Given the growing minority population (now accounted for 28% of the votes), this country is sadly on its way toward more government dependency and European style socialism.


等4年后就会是republican再上台了. 风水轮流转嘛. 就算美国真变了社会主义.....经济倒塌的时候, 大家也可以换到其他经济繁荣的国家去住.
breezy at 11/09/2012 14:17 快速引用
i am not worried about the republican party. any political party will eventually adapt to the reality. i am more concerned about the direction of this country. yes, i miss the good old traditional white america and the principles on which it was founded.
shaojiu at 11/09/2012 14:20 快速引用
support

breezy :
shaojiu :
Race breakdown for O vs R:

White - 40% vs. 60%
Black - 90% vs. 10%
Hispanic - 70% vs. 30%
Asian - 70% vs. 30%

Given the growing minority population (now accounted for 28% of the votes), this country is sadly on its way toward more government dependency and European style socialism.


等4年后就会是republican再上台了. 风水轮流转嘛. 就算美国真变了社会主义.....经济倒塌的时候, 大家也可以换到其他经济繁荣的国家去住.
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 14:30 快速引用
Even in culture revolution, a lot of people survived and thrived and made good contribution to the society.

Be positive.

shaojiu :
i am not worried about the republican party. any political party will eventually adapt to the reality. i am more concerned about the direction of this country. yes, i miss the good old traditional white america and the principles on which it was founded.
xiaoqiang at 11/09/2012 14:33 快速引用
据最新八卦,貌似李源潮非但入不了常,还会被发配去当人大副委员长
靠,怎么我挺谁谁上不去
shaojiu at 11/09/2012 14:39 快速引用
Without illegal immigrants doing all the dirty work for the white america in tomato and strawberry fields, the price of some products will triple. Good luck finding enough workers for those jobs Talking about principles, america is built by immigrants. I guess immigrants with color nowadays are different from the good old white immigrants from Europe.

shaojiu :
i am not worried about the republican party. any political party will eventually adapt to the reality. i am more concerned about the direction of this country. yes, i miss the good old traditional white america and the principles on which it was founded.
redneck at 11/09/2012 14:57 快速引用
redneck :
Without illegal immigrants doing all the dirty work for the white america in tomato and strawberry fields, the price of some products will triple. Good luck finding enough workers for those jobs Talking about principles, america is built by immigrants. I guess immigrants with color nowadays are different from the good old white immigrants from Europe.

shaojiu :
i am not worried about the republican party. any political party will eventually adapt to the reality. i am more concerned about the direction of this country. yes, i miss the good old traditional white america and the principles on which it was founded.


中国没有illegal immigrants doing all the dirty work, 但是中国也并没有price of some products triple. 市场经济下, supply & demand会自己调节的. 没人干的活慢慢会变成higher pay, 自然就有人干了. 难道100年前美国人就不刷马桶了?
breezy at 11/09/2012 15:21 快速引用
shaojiu :
i am not worried about the republican party. any political party will eventually adapt to the reality. i am more concerned about the direction of this country. yes, i miss the good old traditional white america and the principles on which it was founded.


就是你想念的good old traditional white american 搞什么普世,把黑的,黄的都放进来做主人。你看看现在的Direction?真让人担心啊。呵呵!
Quincy08 at 11/09/2012 15:21 快速引用
这没错。我只是想说illegal immigrants 的功献。100年前美国人也像现在GOP这样反对white illegal immigrants from Europe?但是,当年多少中国劳工在美国修铁路还受歧视,这不就是good old white america吗?

breezy :
redneck :
Without illegal immigrants doing all the dirty work for the white america in tomato and strawberry fields, the price of some products will triple. Good luck finding enough workers for those jobs Talking about principles, america is built by immigrants. I guess immigrants with color nowadays are different from the good old white immigrants from Europe.

shaojiu :
i am not worried about the republican party. any political party will eventually adapt to the reality. i am more concerned about the direction of this country. yes, i miss the good old traditional white america and the principles on which it was founded.


中国没有illegal immigrants doing all the dirty work, 但是中国也并没有price of some products triple. 市场经济下, supply & demand会自己调节的. 没人干的活慢慢会变成higher pay, 自然就有人干了. 难道100年前美国人就不刷马桶了?
redneck at 11/09/2012 15:34 快速引用
So you mean you miss the good white slavery tradition, or the white supremacy tradition?

Good white history 101:

Back in the 1800s, white southern slave-owners developed ideas of white supremacy. In their view, those with dark skin were inherently inferior to European Americans, and were put on this earth to serve the white race. "It was an ideal that neither military defeat nor the abolishment of slavery could destroy", said the narrator of The Ku Klux Klan: A Secret History. The southerners passed this tradition of white supremacy down to the incoming generations of children they raised. That explains the KKK's many lynchings, the Mississippi Black Codes, and the infamous Jim Crow laws enacted and enforced by southern governments. Today, the white supremacist organization the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) also works to uphold the traditions of the racial hierarchy. They organized a boycott of a Marvel Studios movie because it featured a black actor playing the role of a god. In the CCC's view, Marvel Studios threatened the racial hierarchy's traditions. Even fifty years after the Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, Alabama and Mississippi public schools still held racially-segregated proms. Can you guess why? Parents' were concerned about tradition.

Traditional gender roles are also a subject for discussion. Ann Coulter is a staunch traditionalist who thinks it is "creepy" to allow women to serve in police departments and the military, and doesn't even think women should have the right to vote. She wants to uphold the traditions of pre-women's suffrage years; in which women's place was in the home, and not in any position of power. Rush Limbaugh is even worse. He says the women's rights activists are revolutionary "feminazis" because they don't want to be dependent on men.

That said, some American traditions that people want to keep today are just plain disgusting.



shaojiu :
i am not worried about the republican party. any political party will eventually adapt to the reality. i am more concerned about the direction of this country. yes, i miss the good old traditional white america and the principles on which it was founded.
花溪 at 11/09/2012 16:33 快速引用
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