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[quote="Absaz"]"大家确实应该多多思考，看能不能出个良策，又让人民能实行监管，又能控制好分寸。也就是说，能否比老毛还要聪明。"[/quote] [S] This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.[/quote]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">作者</th> <th class="thCornerR">留言</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>rogerlee</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 3/01/2010 00:40<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Absaz 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>rogerlee 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Absaz 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>rogerlee 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Absaz 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">"大家确实应该多多思考，看能不能出个良策，又让人民能实行监管，又能控制好分寸。也就是说，能否比老毛还要聪明。"</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <img src="images/smiles/smilie_support.gif" alt="support" border="0" /> This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What if learning from him will deny his position?</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />A person's historical position can not be denied unless you rewrite the history or only thinking from your "little circle" and refuse to look at it from a nation or whole people's perspective. I believe we've had a lot of this discussion in a previous Lao Zhu's post.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You are conflict. If a person's historical position can not be denied, rewriting of history cannot deny it either. <img src="images/smiles/smilie_wink.gif" alt="wink" border="0" /></td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <img src="images/smiles/smilie_mygod.gif" alt="天啊" border="0" /> 我怎麽碰上了一个刁良民。[/quote] <br /> <br />又矛盾了。 <img src="images/smiles/smilie_laugh.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Absaz</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 3/01/2010 00:15<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>rogerlee 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Absaz 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>rogerlee 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Absaz 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">"大家确实应该多多思考，看能不能出个良策，又让人民能实行监管，又能控制好分寸。也就是说，能否比老毛还要聪明。"</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <img src="images/smiles/smilie_support.gif" alt="support" border="0" /> This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What if learning from him will deny his position?</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />A person's historical position can not be denied unless you rewrite the history or only thinking from your "little circle" and refuse to look at it from a nation or whole people's perspective. I believe we've had a lot of this discussion in a previous Lao Zhu's post.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />You are conflict. If a person's historical position can not be denied, rewriting of history cannot deny it either. <img src="images/smiles/smilie_wink.gif" alt="wink" border="0" />[/quote] <img src="images/smiles/smilie_mygod.gif" alt="天啊" border="0" /> 我怎麽碰上了一个刁良民。</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>rogerlee</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 2/28/2010 22:14<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Absaz 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>rogerlee 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Absaz 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">"大家确实应该多多思考，看能不能出个良策，又让人民能实行监管，又能控制好分寸。也就是说，能否比老毛还要聪明。"</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <img src="images/smiles/smilie_support.gif" alt="support" border="0" /> This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What if learning from him will deny his position?</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />A person's historical position can not be denied unless you rewrite the history or only thinking from your "little circle" and refuse to look at it from a nation or whole people's perspective. I believe we've had a lot of this discussion in a previous Lao Zhu's post.[/quote] <br /> <br />You are conflict. If a person's historical position can not be denied, rewriting of history cannot deny it either. <img src="images/smiles/smilie_wink.gif" alt="wink" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Absaz</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 2/28/2010 13:05<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>rogerlee 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Absaz 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">"大家确实应该多多思考，看能不能出个良策，又让人民能实行监管，又能控制好分寸。也就是说，能否比老毛还要聪明。"</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <img src="images/smiles/smilie_support.gif" alt="support" border="0" /> This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />What if learning from him will deny his position?[/quote] <br /> <br />A person's historical position can not be denied unless you rewrite the history or only thinking from your "little circle" and refuse to look at it from a nation or whole people's perspective. I believe we've had a lot of this discussion in a previous Lao Zhu's post.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>rogerlee</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 2/28/2010 12:15<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Absaz 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">"大家确实应该多多思考，看能不能出个良策，又让人民能实行监管，又能控制好分寸。也就是说，能否比老毛还要聪明。"</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <img src="images/smiles/smilie_support.gif" alt="support" border="0" /> This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.[/quote] <br /> <br />What if learning from him will deny his position?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Absaz</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 2/28/2010 12:10<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">"大家确实应该多多思考，看能不能出个良策，又让人民能实行监管，又能控制好分寸。也就是说，能否比老毛还要聪明。"[/quote] <br /> <br /> <img src="images/smiles/smilie_support.gif" alt="support" border="0" /> This is what we should do. Looking back to Mao is to learn from him, not to deny his position in history.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>rogerlee</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 2/28/2010 11:54<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>WoJian 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">...经过运动，人民的主人翁态度得到了空前的高涨。从这点来说，运动，让人民意识到了自己确实是国家的主人，...</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />你认为老毛设计的运动，有没有砸烂立法司法和行政这一条的？</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>WoJian</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 2/28/2010 08:28<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>smilhaNew 写到:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">对于祖国的病情相信很多人都很清楚。。。药方也都明白。。。既得利益者多了点。。。</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />这回你说的不错。而我也早就在说了，老毛的英明之处，就在于，既得利益阶层还没出现呢，老毛就已经对他们实行批判了，用运动的方法，想让他们认识到自己的思潮会造成的错误，希望他们经过了下基层去改造，能够了解到人民的疾苦。 <br /> <br />这个方法，我现在的判断，是实现了治标，没有实现治本。精英很顽固，隐藏了自己的真实想法，当时表现出来为人民利益着想了，现在却在那里翻案了。所以我只能称赞老毛意识到精英需要管的聪明，却不能肯定运动这种方法对精英的有效性。 <br /> <br />而且，运动，是老毛设计的人民民主专政的方法。经过运动，人民的主人翁态度得到了空前的高涨。从这点来说，运动，让人民意识到了自己确实是国家的主人，有着监管领导的权利。这点上的设计，老毛是很成功的。这方面 的成功，和老毛的聪明，还体现在，这种人民民主专政，搞过头的话，就可能会变成反政府的动乱，而老毛能够控制好这种分寸，让人民意识到是与政府，与国家一条心的，反的只是犯路线错误的领导。 <br /> <br />所以老朱的担心，也并不是没有道理的。就是失去控制的人民监管，会发展成反政府动乱。不过，我可不赞成老朱话语中所体现出来的极左倾向，体现出来的专制倾向。 <br /> <br />但是老朱提出来的问题，大家确实应该多多思考，看能不能出个良策，又让人民能实行监管，又能控制好分寸。也就是说，能否比老毛还要聪明。</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>smilhaNew</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 2/28/2010 07:52<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">对于祖国的病情相信很多人都很清楚。。。药方也都明白。。。既得利益者多了点。。。</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>麦香村之老朱专栏</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="帖子" title="帖子" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">发表于: 2/27/2010 09:50<span class="gen"> </span> 发表主题: 温家宝真是想“瘟（国）家”了。</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">温家宝说，我们能够做到，最根本的是两条，第一条就是公开透明，就要让任何一项行政性支出都进入预算，而且公开让群众知道，接受群众监督；第二条就是民主监督。“我曾经引过在建国前毛泽东主席和黄元培先生说过的一段话解决‘其兴也勃，其亡也乎’的周期律问题，最重要的是民主，只有民主才不会出现人亡政息”。温家宝认为，公款吃喝、公车私用，公费出国，其实也关系到整个反腐败。 <br />中国的问题，首先是体制性问题，是传承了2000多年的封建体制问题，所以首要的和根本的问题不是什么公开透明和民主监督的问题。不解决根本问题，所谓的“公开透明”和“民主监督”会愈加添乱，一如老蒋统治大陆时。老蒋的“共和国”（Republic）之所以垮台，主要是“民主”惹的祸。看看当年毛泽东是怎样赞美美国民主的。现在的中国比老蒋时越来越不遑多让，但只要不让“民主”风行，枪杆子就能保住政权。 <br />温家宝明知党已病重，却不思自治、自救，反而一门心思（1）对外公布“病情”；（2）发动民间“庸医群起”，为党把脉、治病、看护。 <br />治大国若烹小鲜。俺有连环3招，解决中国社会的弊病，易如反掌。 <br />到点得上班做菜，明儿再侃。各位看官先猜猜是哪三招。</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
